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4. Every Presidential Election is a Fork in the Road of our Future

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 11:04 PM

Sep 2012

Since in 2000 (not truly the people's fault), America had a moment of going in the direction of an Al Gore Presidency, which would have meant that America would have taken a leadership position on Global Warming on Earth, and the extent of Global Warming that we now face could have been avoided. But because America went in the direction of a Bush Presidency, this did not happen, and now we are seeing more of the extent of the consequences of that direction that America took back in 2000 (along with the thousands dead in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, as well as the financial disaster of 2008).

Presidential Elections are EXTREMELY SERIOUS (and so is what party controls Congress because of its supporting role) and the consequences are grave for so many people.

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100 Million Will Die by 2030 If World Fails to Act on Climate: Report [View all] Hissyspit Sep 2012 OP

this is kind of the reason I push for creative solutions a geek named Bob Sep 2012 #1

Twice as many will die from nuclear war in that time. bananas Sep 2012 #53

Statistics based on one data point? Really? NickB79 Sep 2012 #59

A tiny clip from the Ag report yesterday indicated Ilsa Sep 2012 #2

Exactly what kind of government intervention? dkf Sep 2012 #5

I guess it depends on severity Ilsa Sep 2012 #10

But more funds don't solve shortages, that just keeps it here instead of for export. dkf Sep 2012 #12

The idea would be to keep the farm and ranch operations going until Ilsa Sep 2012 #52

Unless, of course, they'll never be profitable again NickB79 Sep 2012 #60

Yes, that or shift production to Ilsa Sep 2012 #68

RW cheers at this. They want the poor dead. And it WILL be the poor who die. kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #3

And as the world gets poorer, more of us will become eligible for the privilege nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #78

Every Presidential Election is a Fork in the Road of our Future AZ Progressive Sep 2012 #4

What can the President do on his own? Doesn't he need congress? dkf Sep 2012 #6

Is that a serious question or rhetorical? rhett o rick Sep 2012 #8

I'm wondering how much he can accomplish by executive order or whatever. dkf Sep 2012 #13

It should be... defacto7 Sep 2012 #23

True. It's too bad they didn't do more for renewables. dkf Sep 2012 #29

How do you propose to focus Congressional attention on climate change? lunatica Sep 2012 #39

Is it even remotely possible for us to do anything to prevent this? Nature will win, mark my words. rhett o rick Sep 2012 #7

It may still be possible, but is it probable? Matilda Sep 2012 #11

Selfish is right. Why should I cut back when the other guy wont? nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #55

If nature has a personality . . . Richard D Sep 2012 #16

You can purchase carbon credits... hughee99 Sep 2012 #63

Not even a dent SHRED Sep 2012 #9

And the controversy roiling the nation today? hatrack Sep 2012 #14

+10000 Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #44

Ha! Silly humans arguing over games while sinking on the Titanic. ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #51

That's all? RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #15

It's the figure by 2030 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #33

The melting of polar ice is going on much faster than "they" predicted RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #56

That is the floating sea ice, not the ice on land muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #58

Greenland has also been melting faster than earlier predicted. RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #61

But not at the huge rate needed to change sea levels significantly by 2030 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #65

Neither can scientists RoccoR5955 Sep 2012 #75

Rising sea level isn't the most immediate GW threat IDemo Sep 2012 #69

Yes, but #15 was about sea level change muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #74

The near term problem isn't sea level rise, it's rainfall changes. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #73

Very well within the realm of possibility........ AverageJoe90 Sep 2012 #17

Well there is a new coronavirus which is SARS like Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #19

So the question now is how we get the message across to Jamaal510 Sep 2012 #18

We ignore them. The threat is too serious to educate them. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #22

Uh-huh. Llewlladdwr Sep 2012 #25

WTF? I love weed Sep 2012 #46

We don't. We make changes in our own lives magical thyme Sep 2012 #49

Trying too hard. 2ndAmForComputers Sep 2012 #83

It's worse than that. They don't just think it's a hoax. Tea Partying End Timers are spreading patrice Sep 2012 #28

Not necessary - it's too late for preemptive education GliderGuider Sep 2012 #79

Since the end of the world is coming next week/month/year, this shit is all immaterial Bozita Sep 2012 #20

Something more than a democratic process needs to bring about a solution... Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #21

The deniers will just go right on saying "Those 100 million would have died anyway." Speck Tater Sep 2012 #24

K&R but M_M Sep 2012 #26

If we can get around these F-ing End Timers, we could get some churches to help on this. patrice Sep 2012 #27

Sadly, if this was a Hitler or Tojo etc, we would mobilize to defeat it ErikJ Sep 2012 #30

As the report says... Scootaloo Sep 2012 #31

Climate change imo is a lesser problem though when compared to the human population as a whole which cstanleytech Sep 2012 #32

Climate change may ultimately "solve" the problem of population growth. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #37

No! Billions will die. longship Sep 2012 #34

Over the next century, I agree. GliderGuider Sep 2012 #38

I guarantee that at least 7 billion people will die over the next century slackmaster Sep 2012 #48

But that's not really the point now, is it? nt GliderGuider Sep 2012 #50

Heh. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #57

"And the money kept rollin in." Vidar Sep 2012 #35

It is inevitable that something will take a bunch of us out adigal Sep 2012 #36

Are we on the cusp of global collapse? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #40

2030 will only be the beginning of the Big Die Off lunatica Sep 2012 #41

I keep thinking of the word "bottleneck". GliderGuider Sep 2012 #42

Right if its that bad in 2030 marions ghost Sep 2012 #43

I agree with your take on the situation lunatica. Uncle Joe Sep 2012 #82

Personally, I think we'll have World War III (or something close) Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #45

We now have more suicides deaths than people killed in car wrecks in this country alone... Javaman Sep 2012 #47

Other assessments are quite a bit more dire GliderGuider Sep 2012 #54

Good riddance. sir pball Sep 2012 #62

Malthusian Catastrophe Theory has been around for more than 300 years slackmaster Sep 2012 #64

Indeed sir pball Sep 2012 #70

How much did Malthus know about rainfall changes due to global warming? GliderGuider Sep 2012 #71

Optimistic november3rd Sep 2012 #66

If one was just thinking about climate this might be a decent estimate. However GliderGuider Sep 2012 #72

I agree. i TexasBushwhacker Sep 2012 #84

This is what God wants. Ask any Teabagger. JRLeft Sep 2012 #67

Romney does not believe in this climate CHANGE Denise21 Sep 2012 #76

I'm guessing far more than 100 million will die even if the world acts on climate change tularetom Sep 2012 #77

I think we may already be passed the point of no return davidn3600 Sep 2012 #80

we passed the tipping point long ago. By the 2030, the survivors will envy the dead. olddad56 Sep 2012 #81

Ah, but it's such a small price to pay for being able to drive a Humvee! primavera Sep 2012 #85