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RainDog

(28,784 posts)
101. if you're interested
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 04:37 AM
Jan 2012

Here is a doctor who talks about current uses at a conference at UW-Madison Medical School in 2007.



David Bearman M.D., Santa Barbara, California, is one of the leading physicians in the U.S. in the field of medical marijuana. He has spent 40 years working in substance and drug abuse treatment and prevention programs. Dr. Bearman was a pioneer in the free and community clinic movement. His career includes public health, administrative medicine, primary care, pain management and cannabinology.

Bearman's not a pulmonary specialist, however. Dr. Tashkin is.

Tashkin recruited 400 people for an experiment (beyond the ones I linked to initially here.) These people had various levels of usage, including heavy usage.

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Part 1 looks at overall lung function and various studies.

Donald P. Tashkin, MD - Medical Director of the Pulmonary Function Laboratory, Professor of Medicine, University of California, Los Angeles. Presented to Fifth Clinical Conference on Cannabis Therapeutics held in Pacific Grove, CA, April, 2008

His findings in this study replicate his earlier studies. He includes a study from 2007 in New Zealand, another study in Arizona...

regular heavy smoking of cannabis is asso. with coughing and sputum. bronchitis. inflammation of the bronchia. that is not the same as lung disease.

he notes COPD, i.e. emphysema, is not evidenced with cannabis but it is with tobacco. loss of lung function...all lung function for the cannabis users was within the normal function in his large study. The New Zealand study confirmed this. The Arizona study found it might, in the future, lead to COPD.

COPD tends to occur later in life. This is why the study in the OP, a twenty-year study, is considered important b/c of the normal onset of COPD - or decrease in lung function.

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Part 2 looks at emphysema

The New Zealand study only found emphysema in the tobacco smokers.

He talks about 4 individuals who were reported with billae (not generalized emphysema) and those people were also associated with cigarette smoking.

Marijuana smokers, even if they smoked tobacco as well, as the same rate of lung function, over time, as non-smokers of any kind. Only tobacco-smokers had decreased lung function.

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Part 3 looks a lung cancer

I think what you find, often, is that the govt. has so consistently lied about the properties of cannabis, in general, that people in the U.S. who know about this history begin to have a "the boy who cried wolf" reaction.

The govt. has hurt its capacity, or anyone else's, to make a case about real issues concerning cannabis b/c of this long history of lying about the same.

People know about the bad studies the govt has done and tried to hide - like the one in which they suffocated monkeys and claimed mj causes brain damage - and then tried to deny access to others who wanted to look at the study. (That was in the 1980s.)

People know that the govt tried to make it hard to obtain early studies that other researchers sought out later b/c they didn't like the positive results of those studies. That's not science. That's politics.

This is why prohibition is such a bad idea. In order to maintain it, the govt has been so willing to lie or obscure that they have lost their authority among a population and have created disrespect for institutions that are supposed to exist to provide information, not support for bad law.
Some folks are sayin' pot smoking turns your lungs into prunes ... Bozita Jan 2012 #1
Really. A prune? 1Greensix Jan 2012 #35
Those "Some Folks" need a alfredo Jan 2012 #38
Look for this to get misconstrued by the Pot is Safer Than Water Committee nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #2
Cannabis is non-toxic. tridim Jan 2012 #5
Yes, everyone knows drawing unfiltered smoke into the lungs cannot possibly do any harm. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #6
I didn't say anything about drawing unfiltered smoke into the lungs tridim Jan 2012 #7
Do you know anything about the OP article? Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #9
My comment was in response to your idiotic post, not the article. tridim Jan 2012 #10
Boo hoo, you don't like my opinion. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #12
Ironically you could probably use a toke or two. tridim Jan 2012 #16
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #26
it was used in floor wax... wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #33
Good one. n/t ronnie624 Jan 2012 #61
the one that scientifically contradicts your opinion? frylock Jan 2012 #31
Logical error at work here. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #65
not more harm than the poluted air itself! nt wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #8
here ya go, hater RainDog Jan 2012 #15
Cancer is the only possible respiratory illness? Wow, who knew. nt Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #18
there's also this RainDog Jan 2012 #22
I am absolutely for legalization. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2012 #25
I don't think anything is safe for everyone RainDog Jan 2012 #32
Instead of the idiotic request to have everyone here prove a negative, why don't you prove EOTE Jan 2012 #63
How can anyone possibly believe that breathing in smoke is good for your health? randome Jan 2012 #64
Ahhh, so you ignore the science as well? EOTE Jan 2012 #70
The studies have had mixed results. randome Jan 2012 #72
The studies do NOT have mixed results. EOTE Jan 2012 #73
Mixed results. randome Jan 2012 #75
So these "mixed results" you're referring to is a person saying "Others have found hints of harm." EOTE Jan 2012 #76
there were three different articles posted on this study yesterday RainDog Jan 2012 #83
straws are the only thing possible to grasp here. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #69
What would replace aging cells? AlphaCentauri Jan 2012 #39
I don't understand the question RainDog Jan 2012 #41
read the article ffs.. frylock Jan 2012 #29
The two halves of your post do not relate. Threedifferentones Jan 2012 #56
Did you even read the article? EOTE Jan 2012 #62
calling anything "non-toxic" is like a giant blinking red light to anyone who knows what toxic means enki23 Jan 2012 #44
If it ever kills someone I'll take it back. It is a fact that Cannabis is non-toxic. tridim Jan 2012 #46
what's the established toxicity level for cannabis? RainDog Jan 2012 #51
here it is RainDog Jan 2012 #52
Toxicity level is: Oldenuff Jan 2012 #54
LOL. RainDog Jan 2012 #84
what is the lethal dose? Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #71
Weed is safer than a lot of water in this country, which says more about the water than the weed. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #17
and not as flammable Mnpaul Jan 2012 #114
are they anything like the "i got nothing so let me pull my opinion outta my ass" committee? frylock Jan 2012 #30
You can overdose on water.... DLine Jan 2012 #36
False. boppers Jan 2012 #112
Yeah, like I said.... DLine Jan 2012 #115
What, the Michael Phelps angle? underpants Jan 2012 #37
Angry, sarcastic and completely uninformed. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #58
Pot is safer than water, objectively and scientifically speaking. EOTE Jan 2012 #77
Maybe it's all that weed I've smoked, but it seems half your posts are imaginary arguments no one Guy Whitey Corngood Jan 2012 #78
The only adverse side-effect of cannabis use is jail. tridim Jan 2012 #3
Che Guevara smoked marijuana to relive asthma Mimosa Jan 2012 #4
My friend was a Marine Charlemagne Jan 2012 #11
Im sorry to hear about your friend AlecBGreen Jan 2012 #21
quickly becoming an irrelevant issue musiclawyer Jan 2012 #13
It is far past time that we legalize it and at the very least put that part of the stupid drug war slay Jan 2012 #14
It's 2012 and we're still debating pot. Loge23 Jan 2012 #19
+1+1 n/t LittleGirl Jan 2012 #47
sure there is... nebenaube Jan 2012 #97
But Pres. Raygun haydukelives Jan 2012 #20
He should know! (nt) Loge23 Jan 2012 #23
I have no doubt that Reagan tried MJ and other drugs when he was young waddirum Jan 2012 #43
I want MJ legalized but have heard differently from doctors jumptheshadow Jan 2012 #24
My brother's oncologist told him to use a dflprincess Jan 2012 #42
I've always questioned that where does it come from? LittleGirl Jan 2012 #48
of course they say it is bad for you.. Oldenuff Jan 2012 #55
Skeptical. caseymoz Jan 2012 #27
Why would you say "no way"? EOTE Jan 2012 #66
Because, if pot is natural, smoking absolutely is not. caseymoz Jan 2012 #86
How about responding to the science rather than attempting to play scientist? EOTE Jan 2012 #87
Oh, are you saying that smoking doesn't occur in nature isn't a scientific fact? caseymoz Jan 2012 #91
No, I'm saying that's a ridiculous strawman. EOTE Jan 2012 #92
It's only irrelevant to you because you don't want to consider it. caseymoz Jan 2012 #102
It's a strawman because it has nothing to do with the facts. EOTE Jan 2012 #105
And yes, that's rather unscientific. EOTE Jan 2012 #106
Oh, and it looks like marijuana, even smoked, IS an effective treatment for asthma. EOTE Jan 2012 #93
Oh, read my response to that. caseymoz Jan 2012 #95
All the available information suggests that marijuana alleviates the symptoms of asthma EOTE Jan 2012 #96
yes. this study looked at harm from avg., not heavy cannabis use RainDog Jan 2012 #90
First study had eight, second had five and the third had ten subjects. caseymoz Jan 2012 #94
you know, it is currently accepted as a medical reason for cannabis too RainDog Jan 2012 #99
No, it isn't a total bullshit misrepresentation. caseymoz Jan 2012 #103
Yes. It is total bullshit RainDog Jan 2012 #107
'Relative harmless' isn't the issue. randome Jan 2012 #108
LOL RainDog Jan 2012 #109
In other words, HIS statement was bullshit. caseymoz Jan 2012 #110
LOL RainDog Jan 2012 #113
We have been smoking since we discovered fire. n/t nebenaube Jan 2012 #98
Yes, and it's well-known that every animal makes fire. caseymoz Jan 2012 #100
if you're interested RainDog Jan 2012 #101
Not being sarcastic, but I'll set aside Thursday to watch. caseymoz Jan 2012 #104
First Vid: caseymoz Jan 2012 #111
finally mdmc Jan 2012 #28
EAT it! much more efficient, less waste of the good stuff, no smoking reqd nt msongs Jan 2012 #34
the avant garde is juicing raw cannabis waddirum Jan 2012 #45
I saw this the other day, very exciting. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #59
How does this work? EOTE Jan 2012 #67
don't think of it as "getting high" waddirum Jan 2012 #74
Very interesting. EOTE Jan 2012 #79
Please repost this, with the vid, in the Drug Policy forum as a stand-alone post RainDog Jan 2012 #85
Spam deleted by azurnoir (MIR Team) RawHemp Jan 2013 #117
Such a waste scuzati Jan 2012 #40
Or ... such a *profit* SomeGuyInEagan Jan 2012 #81
Vaporizing the substance removes the toxins, period. As does eating the wonderful brownies. byronius Jan 2012 #49
Many top creatives use cannabis. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #60
I'm in California, and let me tell you how bad it's gotten here DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2012 #82
Your post sounds like you're having an argument with yourself lunatica Jan 2012 #88
It is becoming increasingly difficult to justify leaving pot possession illegal. totodeinhere Jan 2012 #50
been smokin' daily, in the morning and in the evening, sometimes during the day, Scout Jan 2012 #53
if i get a little bit of a cough, AlbertCat Jan 2012 #57
Doesnt damage lungs, doesnt impair motor skills, isnt addictive, dozens of legitimate medical uses Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #68
I'm not someone that every wants to use drugs or support them personally.. Corruption Winz Jan 2012 #80
There's so much more to Marijuana than the drug that truly benefits society lunatica Jan 2012 #89
Hmm David Jeffrey Spetch Jan 2012 #116
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