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Igel

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36. These are published numbers from a couple of weeks ago,
Mon Mar 30, 2020, 02:19 PM
Mar 2020

using fairly standard models.

The upper bounds if nothing is done--and when they say nothing, they mean literally nothing, from no hospitalization to no social distancing--are those widely quoted in the media.

It goes like this:
If nothing is done, our best estimate is that 2.2 million could die. (Notice 'estimate'--it's 2.2 million +/- so much, and this is the peak)
Their best estimate is that 2.2 million could die.
2.2 million will die.
At least 2.2 million will die.
Anybody claiming less than 2.2 million because we're not doing what China did is obviously lying.

It's a game of telephone.

Things that could be done are social distancing, hospitalization, school closures, lockdowns. Any of these reduce the numbers. But all together won't zero out the numbers. Those who say the red states have done nothing obviously think they don't have hospitals and all the schools are still open. I'm in a red state. Schools are mostly closed and large urban areas are locked down. Oh--and we have hospitals. Some even have running water.

Their models also say if nothing's done there's very large peak soon. If the maximum is done, there's a flattened, but still substantive peak, in a few months. If an in-between set of choices are implemented, things will quickly quiet down and then all hell will break loose next fall.

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Two words onecaliberal Mar 2020 #1
Two more words SKKY Mar 2020 #24
Some red states are doing the right things. onecaliberal Mar 2020 #27
Oh, I agree. Kentucky being one of those... SKKY Mar 2020 #45
Yeah. onecaliberal Mar 2020 #46
No longer have any faith in her. Lies about one thing she'll lie about others. gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #2
Trump administration does nothing perfectly bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #3
She may be correct but nevergiveup Mar 2020 #4
These are published numbers from a couple of weeks ago, Igel Mar 2020 #36
Agree this likely a political statement meant to allow Trump to declare victory delisen Mar 2020 #38
She is a tool . . . Iliyah Mar 2020 #5
china's so incompetent they can't even get up to 4,000 deaths! unblock Mar 2020 #6
Intentional incompetence. ...nt 2naSalit Mar 2020 #13
i don't disagree, but i've stopped caring much about intent. unblock Mar 2020 #16
Good point! ...nt 2naSalit Mar 2020 #17
So 500,000 will die, eh? BamaRefugee Mar 2020 #7
Prefectly Turbineguy Mar 2020 #8
There is a chance that birx and fauci are working together astounded at the job empedocles Mar 2020 #9
Good Virologist bad Virologist? BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #12
I am one of the few other people who thinks this is possible Lulu KC Mar 2020 #44
Did anyone ask Brix why Trump was the only one that thought otherwise for over TWO months!!! Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #10
Her purpose is to begin framing Trump's failure as a perfect success Fiendish Thingy Mar 2020 #11
+1 2naSalit Mar 2020 #14
Right, from the projections out of UW-Seattle Salviati Mar 2020 #20
She's citing an Imperial College study. Igel Mar 2020 #37
That should appease the MAGAts, I guess. John Fante Mar 2020 #33
Dr. Birx lost all credibility last week dailytroubadour Mar 2020 #15
Maybe she can get Pence and the rapture crowd so they can join hands and speak in tongues ....... turbinetree Mar 2020 #18
Well, There's Also RobinA Mar 2020 #19
So, how many will die doing what we are doing now Miguelito Loveless Mar 2020 #21
Then we should expect 400K to 500K Pisces Mar 2020 #22
Hold on there Dios Mio Mar 2020 #23
Well, it's clear we are doing things far from perfectly. LisaL Mar 2020 #25
I'm pretty sure... Alacritous Crier Mar 2020 #26
The fact that she said that in front of him might means he's captain queeg Mar 2020 #28
Hey, doc, why didn't the amoral pig's great business acumen make those numbers much lower? Thomas Hurt Mar 2020 #29
Whatever the final toll Chainfire Mar 2020 #30
Maybe we should start calling her Dr. Turgidson. LudwigPastorius Mar 2020 #31
I do not trust Dr Bobblehead. She is a Trump flunky. Dr Fauci is the one to trust. AKing Mar 2020 #32
+1000 llmart Mar 2020 #41
Just last week, Birx briefed that counties across the country could start coming off of lockdown. iluvtennis Mar 2020 #34
WE have known since 1918,,,, Cryptoad Mar 2020 #35
At this point 666,666 won't surprise me? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #39
Look at that asshole, murielm99 Mar 2020 #40
Heckuva job, Trumpie. Initech Mar 2020 #42
I'll remain skeptical of any and all projections until DeminPennswoods Mar 2020 #43
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