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Ms. Toad

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17. You're completely missing my point.
Thu Apr 9, 2020, 06:39 PM
Apr 2020

The chart compares a point in time measurement to an average measurement.

If they included actual deaths on the days in question - against actual deaths from COVID 19 on the days in question the visualization would not be misleading.

If they included average COVID 19 deaths against average deaths from other causes the visualization would not be misleading

It is only when you compare absolute deaths on a specific day with average deaths from other causes - especially wihtout being clear about what you are doing that it is misleading.

It is misleading to the point that Newsweek believed (without checking against actual data) that it was comparing the average daily COVID deaths to other averages. It published an article referencing the average daily COVID deaths

It is misleading to the point that several peopel on DU believe the same thing.

I'm not being nit-picky - this is actually misleading, and I am responding to the fact that the misinterpretation is being repeated in more than one location (without properly identifying where the information came from). A year from now, or a decade form now, someone will find the Newsweek article and report that the average number of deaths from COVID 19 on 4/8 was 1970. This kind of sloppy and misleding representation, repeated by other generally reputable sources makes sourcing the truth very hard. There's all sorts of crazy information out there about infection rate of influenza, or the number of deaths from the 1918 influenza, etc. that appears to have its origins in just this kind of misleading representation that was latched onto by someone who reported it as if it was the truth, then by someone else, and so on.

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I think he did it on purpose jimfields33 Apr 2020 #26
0:04 / 0:52 Donald Trump: You gonna win so much you may even get tired of winning Botany Apr 2020 #2
Question to ask tRump cultists: Are you sick of winning or just sick? Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2020 #3
Good question! burrowowl Apr 2020 #4
Yes, the trumpepidemic is raging stronger it seems and it's affecting all of the rump idiots ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #5
For the 3 minutes that I could stand of it I watched in horror last night of that Laura I. person .. Botany Apr 2020 #9
Don't get excited SpankMe Apr 2020 #6
It may still be true that compared with average deaths for each cause Igel Apr 2020 #7
well, not really, they are using statistics taken may months ago, long before the stay at home order yaesu Apr 2020 #8
So you are suggesting that because people are staying at home, they are no longer LisaL Apr 2020 #10
The "more to the story" has nothing to do with other causes dropping Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #12
Chicago had 21 shooting the other day. How does that happen in a everyone stays home jimfields33 Apr 2020 #27
This is EXTREMELY misleading - Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #11
Average daily deaths from heart disease and cancer presumably stay nearly constant over the year. LisaL Apr 2020 #13
On a handful of days it caused more deaths than the other illnesses. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #14
it's showing deaths per day unblock Apr 2020 #15
You're completely missing my point. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #17
Ok, a fine distinction. unblock Apr 2020 #18
Not unless the others are averages for that one day. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #19
I see no problem in comparing actual covid19 deaths to averages of other causes unblock Apr 2020 #24
It is NOT clear without a label that distinguishes the COVID 19 bar from the others. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #25
It almost certainly does make it the leading cause of death ... ON THAT DAY ... mr_lebowski Apr 2020 #16
But that's not how it is being reported. Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #22
It's pretty clear what it is showing. Chemisse Apr 2020 #20
So why did Newsweek get it wrong? Ms. Toad Apr 2020 #21
Here is a very cool day-by-day visualization that shows the change since March 1 Chemisse Apr 2020 #23
Kenneth Dopeland... I mean Copeland's casting away Satan did not work rpannier Apr 2020 #28
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