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In reply to the discussion: Anger in Sweden as elderly pay price for coronavirus strategy [View all]LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Imagine the goalposts on one side of the field was totally built by government taxes. The goalposts on the other side was built by a private company. But both goalposts logistics are under the authority of the government. They decide how tall it is, how thick it is. how well secured it is, how far apart it is. They get to decide, because for one, the players want some standards, and minimum basic quality, and for another, its the players that pay for them. They all must pay. One side still pays a bit more because they hire a private firm to constuct it, and they need to make a profit. But it takes all the players to contribute to construct the posts. One single mass of them. For this one thing, they are all on the same team. Some can afford to pay more, some less, but its the government that makes sure that everyone gets to play with the same standards of equipment no matter how much they can pay.
Sweden and Canada and England etc. have had basically the same systems that Sanders, and 85% of Democrats want. Basically. Of course there are variations. Whether those governments allow the private industry to operate under their strict guidelines for everybody or not. Its still EVERYBODY, a single payer if you will, IN THE POOL. What is so difficult to understand about that?
It amounts to the same thing. Whether it is Universal healthcare paid for by workers, by mandated taxes, or a combination of taxes and premiums through private insurers. And whomever can't afford it in the case of private premiums, those premiums being paid for by government.
Again. Its the federal law ensuring basic healthcare is a right for everyone and overseeing it is adhered to all across a country that is what separates the US. I don't know if you agree to that point or are you still stuck in semantics?
As usual ehrnst, we will agree to disagree. I don't get your analogies, and you obviously don't understand mine.
No, a German Shepard is not a toy poodle. But they are both DOGS. ie.. you can argue all you like that those two dogs and a Siamese cat are the same, because they are all animals. But those dogs have way more in common with each other than they do with the cat. Both can bark, learn tricks, growl, defend the owner. A cat can't. Just like a government run and operated through a mandated tax system, provides the same basic care of one where government is still required to regulate and set guidelines through a mandated premium system. Both still require all of that one single nation of payers to participate. In cat nation, with no medical standards requirements, and no requirement for all of that single unit of payers to participate, and there's a cat on every block, is NOT the same.
Call it what you like.
cheers.