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hack89

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7. You thought wrong

Reply to jpak (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:04 PM

Jan 2012

where has anyone said that any law would eliminate criminal acts?

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This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #1

A small price to pay for "freedom" Doctor_J Jan 2012 #2

He could have easily have done just as much killing with a knife Hugabear Jan 2012 #3

I would beg to differ Mopar151 Jan 2012 #4

Look at the post I was responding to Hugabear Jan 2012 #9

Yeah, the deadly golf club theory.... Mopar151 Jan 2012 #11

It was a lumberyard - everyone could defend themselves with 2x4s against a bat. saras Jan 2012 #29

LOL tabasco Jan 2012 #34

+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

with a knife Or a baseball bat. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #39

Having a gun may not save you from a criminal with a gun... Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #42

ERGO, we should arm our children from age two onward.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #68

Straw man. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #70

How about some perspective? How many Americans die every day? Just curious. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #8

88 more than would die if the NRA didn't have a foothold in the government Doctor_J Jan 2012 #15

Since gun deaths are at historic lows and steadily declining hack89 Jan 2012 #35

it looks like we are on the right path - right? AlbertCat Jan 2012 #43

But it is clear that they are not making things worse. hack89 Jan 2012 #44

"Perspective?" You guys kill me. You'll take any view to protect your access to more guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #16

Firearm Homicides are not all that common and dropping vminfla Jan 2012 #19

It might be "insignificant" with 4% packing now, how about when 40% of population is carrying a gun. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21

At what point in American History has gun ownership ever reached those levels? vminfla Jan 2012 #24

4% is those who carry in public. I think that will increase if NRA, TParty, etc., have their way. Hoyt Jan 2012 #25

Doubt it vminfla Jan 2012 #28

Carrying guns in public is more than merely "embracing gun ownership." Hoyt Jan 2012 #30

The only way you can get from here to there is through a slippery slope vminfla Jan 2012 #65

hoyt is worried about guns "polluting society". PavePusher Jan 2012 #60

Hoyt, do you have any kind of evidence to support your major extrapolation here? slackmaster Jan 2012 #37

CCW permit holders are less likely to be involved in crime than you are. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #38

Those who don't pack are even less likely to be involved in gun crimes. Hoyt Jan 2012 #67

But again, you don't get to pick the people who are around you in the population at large. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #71

Seriously... ellisonz Jan 2012 #48

So what number is "fine"? hack89 Jan 2012 #53

Numbers comparable to other Westernized nations... ellisonz Jan 2012 #61

So name a figure. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #69

Seriously vminfla Jan 2012 #57

I don't know, but I do know that 140 or so will montanto Jan 2012 #20

Don't just focus on deaths -- injuries, intimidation, future impact, etc., are considerations. Hoyt Jan 2012 #23

Lets also focus on lives saved through defensive use of guns. Since we are doing all this focusing. hack89 Jan 2012 #54

Over 1600 Americans will die today of heart disease, another 200 from alcohol. hack89 Jan 2012 #10

Yet, you carry a gun rather than a defibrillator. Hoyt Jan 2012 #26

Any defibrillators that fit in my hand yet? n/t Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #40

And we have massive efforts to combat those things... ellisonz Jan 2012 #49

Compared to heart disease or drunk driving we have been very successful combating gun violence. hack89 Jan 2012 #51

Suicides and drug related violence are two major causes of gun deaths hack89 Jan 2012 #52

But I thought all those stupid GOP/NRA guns laws they just passed would prevent this? jpak Jan 2012 #5

You thought wrong hack89 Jan 2012 #7

But...but...but... guns at work, concealed carry everywhere and castle laws would fix all this! jpak Jan 2012 #12

Like all those laws that eliminated drunk driving or drug use? Those kind of laws? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #13

No proof the workers at the mill took advantage of them. Remmah2 Jan 2012 #14

Hasn't been time to take hold yet. Doctor_J Jan 2012 #18

That's much the way I see it too. Hundreds killed in the crossfire. Hoyt Jan 2012 #27

Can you point to a single incident of this ever happening? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #41

We are talking about the future if gun proliferation continues. Try to keep up. Hoyt Jan 2012 #45

There has been 20 years of "proliferation". hack89 Jan 2012 #55

Ah, Hoyt the fortune teller. Can you pick a lottery number for me, too? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #56

CCWers have NOT been shown to be less involved in crime than those who qualify for a permit, but Hoyt Jan 2012 #59

You are surrounded by the population as a whole, so it is completely appropriate to compare to them. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #62

OK, let's throw CCWers in with everyone who carries a gun, including criminals. Hoyt Jan 2012 #63

When you go out in public you are surrounded by the PUBLIC AT LARGE, not just people who carry guns. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #64

Fine. I'd still be better off if you and the criminals weren't armed. Hoyt Jan 2012 #66

Why are you lumping in highly law-abiding people with criminals? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #72

"when everyone is packing, shootings will disappear completely" jpak Jan 2012 #32

But it is a great straw man by Doctor_J. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #73

just once, I would like to read where the guy killed himself first UpInArms Jan 2012 #6

That would be ideal. Hoyt Jan 2012 #17

all the more reason to CC or OC everywhere. ileus Jan 2012 #22

Didn't work here jpak Jan 2012 #31

maybe no ccw holders present Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #33

Thank goodness no other toters were present. They would likely have made things worse. Hoyt Jan 2012 #50

A Different Look LarryNM Jan 2012 #36

Read "Odd Girl Out" by Rachel Simmons Mopar151 Jan 2012 #46

The shooter died of his wounds early this morning. bathroommonkey76 Jan 2012 #58