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JDPriestly

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5. The ads are, no doubt, horrible.
Thu Sep 27, 2012, 11:09 PM
Sep 2012

But the new guidelines give the right to minorities to censor the speech of others. Put the shoe on the other foot. Let's say the ads were extremely pro-Muslim or pro-Palestinian and people who sided with Christians or Israel were to demand that they be removed because the ads incited to violence.

This cycle would never end. Who is to decide whether an ad incites to violence or not? It's just words.

This seems like such a good solution until you think about what it really means.

The real solution is to put up ads encouraging tolerance on all sides. You cannot fight one extreme, hateful opinion about religion or ethnicity with another opposing but equally extreme, hateful opinion. And the First Amendment prohibits censoring speech based on its political content.

The people tearing the signs down need to cool it. They need to put up their own signs.

I'm not expressing this well, but I hope you will understand. This kind of censorship is more dangerous than the obnoxious signs themselves.

Talk about Sharia law. When we can't insult the Muslim religion (or the Jewish religion) or the Christian religion because we incite to violence then we are imposing religious law on ourselves.

This is a bad move. It goes in the wrong direction.

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Pam Geller's little hate group defended these ads 47of74 Sep 2012 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #2
well heaven05 Sep 2012 #3
Actually many laughed at your concern troll posts ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #15
So if we are not on your concern troll bandwagon we support Geller? ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #29
Fortunately a minority here on DU support your platform of banning speech we don't like ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #31
Defended? That group paid for the ads and had to sue to get them posted. ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #8
Defended? no they originated these ads check out the bottom of the ad azurnoir Sep 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #18
What if you changed the word savage and said Muslim? oberliner Sep 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #22
Sounds like it won't oberliner Sep 2012 #30
So what? Do bigots NOT have first amendment rights too? alp227 Sep 2012 #34
Not sure this will pass muster by the Courts brooklynite Sep 2012 #4
Exactly! Racial violence has existed long before talk radio, fox news, and rw blogs. alp227 Sep 2012 #38
The ads are, no doubt, horrible. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #5
plus a million. scares me that people want to censor due to whos the most violent. loli phabay Sep 2012 #6
Those that would surrender to the Hecklers Veto is always a concern to those who value free speech ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #10
its not just free speech its all freedoms that are put on the table once you start loli phabay Sep 2012 #12
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #16
So those who support constitutional freedom of expression ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #27
I support free speech for all ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #33
so you do not consider Jihad Watch and atlas shrugs to be hate groups? n/t azurnoir Sep 2012 #14
bullshit The taxes I pay to fund the MTA should not be used to promote hate speech erodriguez Sep 2012 #7
Paid ads are a money maker for the MTA...this one maybe not so much ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #17
Your poutrage does not change the facts ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Sep 2012 #28
No substantive response so you degenerate to ad hominems ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #32
You are using the same argument by conservatives alp227 Sep 2012 #37
Those signs are in poor taste Stewland Sep 2012 #19
MTA was forced by the court to run them ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #25
Those policies might violate the first amendment, right? alp227 Sep 2012 #35
Don't know ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #36
Objectity Stewland Sep 2012 #20
Seems a clear case of yelling "fire" in a crowded theater which is prohibited free speech. Kablooie Sep 2012 #39
These are not 'pro-Israel' ads; these are Islamophobic ads LeftishBrit Sep 2012 #40
So any religion or group that doesn't want to be insulted needs to riot and get violent. Nye Bevan Sep 2012 #41
So Geller's ads go up, but the inevitable reaction ads will not.... Junkdrawer Sep 2012 #42
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