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Doctor_J

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18. Hasn't been time to take hold yet.

Fri Jan 13, 2012, 02:57 PM

Jan 2012

In a little while when everyone is packing, shootings will disappear completely.

For the NRA's ideal situation, you need to look to Northern Illinois U. A crazy with a gun walked into a lecture hall and started firing. In NRA Utopia, all 120 students, upon seeing the mass murderer, would stand, remove their own sidearms from their holsters, and open fire. Surely you can see how much better that would be.

Right-wing logic eludes me on all levels.

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This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #1

A small price to pay for "freedom" Doctor_J Jan 2012 #2

He could have easily have done just as much killing with a knife Hugabear Jan 2012 #3

I would beg to differ Mopar151 Jan 2012 #4

Look at the post I was responding to Hugabear Jan 2012 #9

Yeah, the deadly golf club theory.... Mopar151 Jan 2012 #11

It was a lumberyard - everyone could defend themselves with 2x4s against a bat. saras Jan 2012 #29

LOL tabasco Jan 2012 #34

+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

with a knife Or a baseball bat. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #39

Having a gun may not save you from a criminal with a gun... Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #42

ERGO, we should arm our children from age two onward.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #68

Straw man. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #70

How about some perspective? How many Americans die every day? Just curious. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #8

88 more than would die if the NRA didn't have a foothold in the government Doctor_J Jan 2012 #15

Since gun deaths are at historic lows and steadily declining hack89 Jan 2012 #35

it looks like we are on the right path - right? AlbertCat Jan 2012 #43

But it is clear that they are not making things worse. hack89 Jan 2012 #44

"Perspective?" You guys kill me. You'll take any view to protect your access to more guns. Hoyt Jan 2012 #16

Firearm Homicides are not all that common and dropping vminfla Jan 2012 #19

It might be "insignificant" with 4% packing now, how about when 40% of population is carrying a gun. Hoyt Jan 2012 #21

At what point in American History has gun ownership ever reached those levels? vminfla Jan 2012 #24

4% is those who carry in public. I think that will increase if NRA, TParty, etc., have their way. Hoyt Jan 2012 #25

Doubt it vminfla Jan 2012 #28

Carrying guns in public is more than merely "embracing gun ownership." Hoyt Jan 2012 #30

The only way you can get from here to there is through a slippery slope vminfla Jan 2012 #65

hoyt is worried about guns "polluting society". PavePusher Jan 2012 #60

Hoyt, do you have any kind of evidence to support your major extrapolation here? slackmaster Jan 2012 #37

CCW permit holders are less likely to be involved in crime than you are. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #38

Those who don't pack are even less likely to be involved in gun crimes. Hoyt Jan 2012 #67

But again, you don't get to pick the people who are around you in the population at large. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #71

Seriously... ellisonz Jan 2012 #48

So what number is "fine"? hack89 Jan 2012 #53

Numbers comparable to other Westernized nations... ellisonz Jan 2012 #61

So name a figure. nt hack89 Jan 2012 #69

Seriously vminfla Jan 2012 #57

I don't know, but I do know that 140 or so will montanto Jan 2012 #20

Don't just focus on deaths -- injuries, intimidation, future impact, etc., are considerations. Hoyt Jan 2012 #23

Lets also focus on lives saved through defensive use of guns. Since we are doing all this focusing. hack89 Jan 2012 #54

Over 1600 Americans will die today of heart disease, another 200 from alcohol. hack89 Jan 2012 #10

Yet, you carry a gun rather than a defibrillator. Hoyt Jan 2012 #26

Any defibrillators that fit in my hand yet? n/t Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #40

And we have massive efforts to combat those things... ellisonz Jan 2012 #49

Compared to heart disease or drunk driving we have been very successful combating gun violence. hack89 Jan 2012 #51

Suicides and drug related violence are two major causes of gun deaths hack89 Jan 2012 #52

But I thought all those stupid GOP/NRA guns laws they just passed would prevent this? jpak Jan 2012 #5

You thought wrong hack89 Jan 2012 #7

But...but...but... guns at work, concealed carry everywhere and castle laws would fix all this! jpak Jan 2012 #12

Like all those laws that eliminated drunk driving or drug use? Those kind of laws? nt hack89 Jan 2012 #13

No proof the workers at the mill took advantage of them. Remmah2 Jan 2012 #14

Hasn't been time to take hold yet. Doctor_J Jan 2012 #18

That's much the way I see it too. Hundreds killed in the crossfire. Hoyt Jan 2012 #27

Can you point to a single incident of this ever happening? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #41

We are talking about the future if gun proliferation continues. Try to keep up. Hoyt Jan 2012 #45

There has been 20 years of "proliferation". hack89 Jan 2012 #55

Ah, Hoyt the fortune teller. Can you pick a lottery number for me, too? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #56

CCWers have NOT been shown to be less involved in crime than those who qualify for a permit, but Hoyt Jan 2012 #59

You are surrounded by the population as a whole, so it is completely appropriate to compare to them. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #62

OK, let's throw CCWers in with everyone who carries a gun, including criminals. Hoyt Jan 2012 #63

When you go out in public you are surrounded by the PUBLIC AT LARGE, not just people who carry guns. Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #64

Fine. I'd still be better off if you and the criminals weren't armed. Hoyt Jan 2012 #66

Why are you lumping in highly law-abiding people with criminals? Atypical Liberal Jan 2012 #72

"when everyone is packing, shootings will disappear completely" jpak Jan 2012 #32

But it is a great straw man by Doctor_J. ManiacJoe Jan 2012 #73

just once, I would like to read where the guy killed himself first UpInArms Jan 2012 #6

That would be ideal. Hoyt Jan 2012 #17

all the more reason to CC or OC everywhere. ileus Jan 2012 #22

Didn't work here jpak Jan 2012 #31

maybe no ccw holders present Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #33

Thank goodness no other toters were present. They would likely have made things worse. Hoyt Jan 2012 #50

A Different Look LarryNM Jan 2012 #36

Read "Odd Girl Out" by Rachel Simmons Mopar151 Jan 2012 #46

The shooter died of his wounds early this morning. bathroommonkey76 Jan 2012 #58