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Igel

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14. No.
Fri May 15, 2020, 01:35 PM
May 2020

Not an epidemiologist, but I got 6 hours of sleep last night.


The genomic studies of the mutations of this thing shows that pretty much all the mutations available in Wuhan in January 2020 exist outside of Wuhan.

In additional, there are novel mutations. The distribution of the novel mutations show that they're relatively late. After the "out of Wuhan" date. It's all patch-work on top of layers of different slightly different varieties that comes with population mixing.

"Mutation" just means that there's a different amino acid at a given location in a protein or the RNA. A number of amino acids are pretty much functionally equivalent, so the change is pretty meaningless. It's not that the mutation gives it a new capability, any more than replacing a single nail with a wood screw makes a coffee table into a work bench.

The estimated date for when SARS-CoV-2 acquired its current form is years ago, based not so much on the data from the virus itself but comparing it with other related coronavirus. How long ago depends on what you think happened to get it from there to here. However, dating the time when this virus became unique before last October 2020 that doesn't mean that it had hopped to humans by then. I haven't seen (and haven't looked) to see if anybody's reconstructed the original "ur-virus" based just no SARS-CoV-2 mutations, but if nobody has some grad student should get right on that.

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Definitely not "ironclad proof" FBaggins May 2020 #1
Just a note/mental exercise in my mind... SWBTATTReg May 2020 #2
No, not proof. However, there was also no "proof" of a January first case date. pnwmom May 2020 #19
well stated. and hits all the important points. stopdiggin May 2020 #25
Exactly. Probably MORE likely they had the flu in December Drahthaardogs May 2020 #31
It's unreal how persistent this belief is jberryhill May 2020 #33
I am a mathematical person. I think logically. Drahthaardogs May 2020 #34
So could the virus have been here for months and what's causing the deaths cstanleytech May 2020 #3
I was sick Thanksgiving last year. Tested neg. for the flu, but damn sure felt like it. Lochloosa May 2020 #4
See, this is exactly what I mean. Mike 03 May 2020 #6
There's always a variety of stuff circulating, though jberryhill May 2020 #7
Good point. Mike 03 May 2020 #8
"Could it have become deadly recently?" jberryhill May 2020 #13
Chinese researchers have found there are two strains, one deadlier than the other... AntiFascist May 2020 #40
No. Igel May 2020 #14
Were those 6 hours at a Holiday Inn Express? If so you're good, obviously (nt) mr_lebowski May 2020 #15
How do we know the deaths weren't there? We don't generally do autopsies on pnwmom May 2020 #20
Excess mortality jberryhill May 2020 #21
Try this one jberryhill May 2020 #23
Why are you showing graphs of Europe instead of the United States? pnwmom May 2020 #24
Because they were handy jberryhill May 2020 #26
Here jberryhill May 2020 #27
Your graph proves my point, thanks. There were excess deaths in January pnwmom May 2020 #28
What on earth are you talking about? jberryhill May 2020 #32
With exponential growth the initial numbers are very small. And then suddenly they aren't. pnwmom May 2020 #35
Oh boy jberryhill May 2020 #36
The Northeastern U. modelers believe that by March 1 there were already 28,000 cases pnwmom May 2020 #38
You are right, and.... reACTIONary May 2020 #29
Me, my older brother and his wife all got sick early March but we think it was cstanleytech May 2020 #16
Not only that. We need to take a hard look at the 2019-20 flu season. Mike 03 May 2020 #5
I convinced a young relative to get the flu shot in late December, and a week later she got sick. pnwmom May 2020 #22
It's quite possible, since Cheeto knew in EARLY NOVEMBER this was coming sandensea May 2020 #10
The Quest antibody test can't distinguish Covid-19 from other coronavirus-based colds. moriah May 2020 #39
He should get the Abbott antibody test. It is apparently 99.9% accurate. SunSeeker May 2020 #41
I think the Dinosaurs had this bucolic_frolic May 2020 #9
the only question is by those who aren;t looking for the answers in the first place beachbumbob May 2020 #11
This is why testing is critical matt819 May 2020 #12
Yeah, the FL trip from the NE and back, that's me. Flew back Jan. 31, got sick 2 days Nay May 2020 #17
It will take months and years for science to understand how the virus in all its forms Cognitive_Resonance May 2020 #18
I had some bug in early January. roamer65 May 2020 #30
Was coronavirus here in December? Health officer has doubts Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #37
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