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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. Because they were handy
Fri May 15, 2020, 04:06 PM
May 2020

The excess mortality is simply not there.

You asked a question about how you could detect excess deaths due to covid-19 without autopsies and I answered it.

I am not your personal research agency. There was no uptick in excess deaths beyond what would be expected with the seasonal flu in the United States either.

Your bolded sentence does not support this repeated contention that covid-19 was affecting significant numbers of people in the US back in December.

Yes, there certainly were, and are seasonal outbreaks of flu.

If you bothered to LOOK at the Europe graphs, which are representative of how mortality fluctuates through the year, you would understand that.

But, good golly, not every statistical report has a handy .jpg that can be posted on DU, and I believed the graphs showed, quite clearly, WHY we can know people weren't dying from covid-19 to any significant degree in December. How much time am I supposed to spend on research responding to your post?






There is no significant difference in the point, no matter where the graphs are from.

The point is pretty simple to understand - if there is a new cause of death, then it sticks out from the seasonal average. That's why, for example, you can see a heat wave in the graph for Spain.

This is a common technique for figuring out if something is up.

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Definitely not "ironclad proof" FBaggins May 2020 #1
Just a note/mental exercise in my mind... SWBTATTReg May 2020 #2
No, not proof. However, there was also no "proof" of a January first case date. pnwmom May 2020 #19
well stated. and hits all the important points. stopdiggin May 2020 #25
Exactly. Probably MORE likely they had the flu in December Drahthaardogs May 2020 #31
It's unreal how persistent this belief is jberryhill May 2020 #33
I am a mathematical person. I think logically. Drahthaardogs May 2020 #34
So could the virus have been here for months and what's causing the deaths cstanleytech May 2020 #3
I was sick Thanksgiving last year. Tested neg. for the flu, but damn sure felt like it. Lochloosa May 2020 #4
See, this is exactly what I mean. Mike 03 May 2020 #6
There's always a variety of stuff circulating, though jberryhill May 2020 #7
Good point. Mike 03 May 2020 #8
"Could it have become deadly recently?" jberryhill May 2020 #13
Chinese researchers have found there are two strains, one deadlier than the other... AntiFascist May 2020 #40
No. Igel May 2020 #14
Were those 6 hours at a Holiday Inn Express? If so you're good, obviously (nt) mr_lebowski May 2020 #15
How do we know the deaths weren't there? We don't generally do autopsies on pnwmom May 2020 #20
Excess mortality jberryhill May 2020 #21
Try this one jberryhill May 2020 #23
Why are you showing graphs of Europe instead of the United States? pnwmom May 2020 #24
Because they were handy jberryhill May 2020 #26
Here jberryhill May 2020 #27
Your graph proves my point, thanks. There were excess deaths in January pnwmom May 2020 #28
What on earth are you talking about? jberryhill May 2020 #32
With exponential growth the initial numbers are very small. And then suddenly they aren't. pnwmom May 2020 #35
Oh boy jberryhill May 2020 #36
The Northeastern U. modelers believe that by March 1 there were already 28,000 cases pnwmom May 2020 #38
You are right, and.... reACTIONary May 2020 #29
Me, my older brother and his wife all got sick early March but we think it was cstanleytech May 2020 #16
Not only that. We need to take a hard look at the 2019-20 flu season. Mike 03 May 2020 #5
I convinced a young relative to get the flu shot in late December, and a week later she got sick. pnwmom May 2020 #22
It's quite possible, since Cheeto knew in EARLY NOVEMBER this was coming sandensea May 2020 #10
The Quest antibody test can't distinguish Covid-19 from other coronavirus-based colds. moriah May 2020 #39
He should get the Abbott antibody test. It is apparently 99.9% accurate. SunSeeker May 2020 #41
I think the Dinosaurs had this bucolic_frolic May 2020 #9
the only question is by those who aren;t looking for the answers in the first place beachbumbob May 2020 #11
This is why testing is critical matt819 May 2020 #12
Yeah, the FL trip from the NE and back, that's me. Flew back Jan. 31, got sick 2 days Nay May 2020 #17
It will take months and years for science to understand how the virus in all its forms Cognitive_Resonance May 2020 #18
I had some bug in early January. roamer65 May 2020 #30
Was coronavirus here in December? Health officer has doubts Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 #37
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