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happyslug

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48. The Clean Hands Doctrine, only applies to issues of Equity, not law
Sun Sep 30, 2012, 11:24 PM
Sep 2012

In the Middle Ages, England had two courts (actually more, but these two absorbed the rest), a court of Law and a Court of Equity. The Court of Law is the older of the two and involves criminal actions and any action that can be reduced to a money Judgement and the issue of who owned what land.

Courts of Equity handled any case that could NOT be reduced to a Money Judgement. While it could NOT determined who owned a piece of law, it could order one person to sell his rights to another (i.e. court orders).

While, the Courts of Equity is said never to have crossed the Atlantic (Pennsylvania did have a Court of Equity in the Colonial Period and various states had them afterward), the powers of the Court of Equity was adopted by the Courts of Law, thus in effect they were merged, but the rules of Equity still applied to cases in Equity.

The big problem was child custody had belonged to neither court, but to a third court, the Church Courts, which never did cross the Atlantic. Till about the Civil War the Courts of Law just refused to accept cases of child care unless there was a clear statutory duty to do so (Elizabeth I had passed a law that the Attorney General could bring an action in the nature a criminal action, called the Writ of Bastardy, in cases where a Father had sire a child out side of wedlock. One aspect of this was that the alleged father could buy off the Mother and thus avoid the criminal sanctions. Out of this law came our present support law (Through one of the aspects was the removal of Support from being a criminal actions to a Civil Action).

Thus you have the case where George Washington paid off a woman who claimed he fathered her child out of Wedlock while he was President and putting down the Whiskey Rebellion in the 1790s (in Bedford County PA). On the other hand, the courts tended to rule they had no jurisdiction over child abuse for that had NEVER been an action permitted before a Court of law (The actual case did not mention that it had been a church court matter, but that it had NOT been an action under the Common Law, in a Court of Law. In the Civil war era case, the Society for the Prevention of Crudity to Animals tried to use a law preventing crudity of animals in a case of crudity to a Child. The Court ruled the statute, while it gave the Court of Law the right to hear Crudity to Animals cases, it could NOT be expanded to cover Children. The Court then ruled that it had the Right under the Common Law to hear the case independent of any statute. It is considered the first case where it became criminal to do harm to one's own children. Please note the problem was the US had no church courts, which had handled those cases in England and not only the refusal to set up Church Courts but the Refusal to set up a Family Court to hear such cases had permitted such abuse to occur).

Back to the Clean Hands Doctrine. The problem with the Clean Hand Doctrine is it is an action in a Court of Equity NOT a Court of Law, and the Courts ruled that Child abuse cases, Child support cases and Child Custody cases were Issues of Law not Equity and thus the Clean Hands Doctrine did not apply. Thus the fact that the Father Raped the Mother is NOT a Defense Against him seeing the child UNLESS you can show some other grounds that such visitation would cause "Great Harm" to the child. The Later is the test for Visitation, not the clean hands doctrine.

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When the child is 18 if they choose to want to meet them Fearless Sep 2012 #1
fight it all the way and see how the nation can do this to women and girls. makes me sick. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #2
Hell no Downtown Hound Sep 2012 #3
I think not! mysuzuki2 Sep 2012 #4
If a child rapist is not allowed to be around children, HockeyMom Sep 2012 #11
Well according to Rapublicans...........this wasn't rape thelordofhell Sep 2012 #5
It would seem that the 'clean hands' doctrine would Jumping John Sep 2012 #6
The Clean Hands Doctrine, only applies to issues of Equity, not law happyslug Sep 2012 #48
Must not been a legitimate rape if she got pregnant..... LynneSin Sep 2012 #7
Absolutely marions ghost Sep 2012 #27
The sexual predator should not be allowed contact with any child Anarcho-Socialist Sep 2012 #8
This country waterboards people in war get the red out Sep 2012 #9
This so-called man couldn't even control himself by raping a young girl! What makes the court think jonesgirl Sep 2012 #10
She chose to keep the baby 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Sep 2012 #13
I'm surprised he didn't try the old republican "But she looked 18 at the time!" -defense Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #14
how about this defense!!! beachgirl2365 Sep 2012 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #15
creative legal tactics should not be necessary... marions ghost Sep 2012 #30
i disagree. rape, no child custody. that simple. no law? they need to make one. it is an obvious seabeyond Sep 2012 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #34
ok... so until we ALL go out and become legislators NO discussing or stating opinion on what laws seabeyond Sep 2012 #36
The Courts have rejected your position happyslug Sep 2012 #49
why did this guy only get probation? azurnoir Sep 2012 #17
Statutory, and it depends on state laws... Blue_Tires Sep 2012 #18
If it was statutory, why is she suffering from anxiety and depression? starroute Sep 2012 #21
She's a 17 year old single mom. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #24
well it could be that the statutory charge was only a false deal or azurnoir Sep 2012 #25
It's "statuatory" because it was child sexual abuse. McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #29
First he was not convicted of pedophilia azurnoir Sep 2012 #38
As far as I can tell she wasn't dating this guy. The guy was a boyfriend of LisaL Sep 2012 #47
Apparently the prosecutor cut a deal justiceischeap Sep 2012 #22
light sentences for rape is not unheard of. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2012 #35
Probally because the child was born, and the Court knows how little welfare is. happyslug Sep 2012 #50
But why was she in that predicament to begin with? LisaL Sep 2012 #52
The concern for most courts is support for the Child happyslug Oct 2012 #53
this isn't about him wanting visitation...this is about him NOT wanting to pay child support. ret5hd Sep 2012 #19
I'd put money on that. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #26
Or ... its another way to exert POWER over his victim. Power is what rape is about. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #37
Do you understand what statutory rape means? azurnoir Sep 2012 #40
maybe, but right now, with lawyers and stuff, he's thinkin' 'bout money. ret5hd Sep 2012 #41
Exactly LizW Sep 2012 #43
Republican "Family Values". Odin2005 Sep 2012 #20
+1 sarcasmo Sep 2012 #46
Clearly Rep. Akin's area of expertise. onehandle Sep 2012 #23
The man is a pedophile. How can he visit a child? McCamy Taylor Sep 2012 #28
Agree marions ghost Sep 2012 #31
He is a rapist and therefore has abused the mother of the child. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #39
Not in Pennsylvania and most other states UNLESS the abuse raises to the level of "Great harm". happyslug Sep 2012 #51
This guy's human trash Shitty Mitty Sep 2012 #42
Isn't allowing your child to be with a...... DeSwiss Sep 2012 #44
Kick (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #45
Gimmick to get out of child support? One_Life_To_Give Oct 2012 #54
Have any rapists been granted visitation rights? duhneece Oct 2012 #55
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