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123. I am going to disagree with you here

Tue Oct 2, 2012, 01:19 PM

Oct 2012

The Gay can't be prayed away.

Way too many people have sent their gay kids to this treatment. When it fails, as it always does, the kids are led to believe they are at fault for rejecting God, and many commit suicide.

The truth is that you can no more cure a gay person of being gay than you can cure me of having size 9 feet. Claiming that you can screws the kid - he is going to be as gay as he was, but now he's more depressed about it. It screws the parents - they think that by sending their gay kid to this they'll get back a nice normal Republican boy who will get married and give them adorable grandkids, and it won't. It also screws the parents' bank account - praying away the gay isn't cheap.

This is as harmful as prescribing apricot pits for cancer or any of the other quack cures of the 1800s, and should be banned everywhere.

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California becomes First State in Nation to Ban 'Gay Cure' Therapy for Children [View all] trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP

Will it stand up in the courts? hrmjustin Sep 2012 #1

It should. This sort of "therapy" is child abuse. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #6

you never know with the wrong judge. hrmjustin Sep 2012 #7

Yeah, emphasis on wrong. nt SunSeeker Sep 2012 #9

+1 sarcasmo Sep 2012 #33

Gay Identity Reassignment is Child Abuse Shuhered Oct 2012 #122

outstanding Deep13 Sep 2012 #2

I love my state! SoapBox Sep 2012 #3

Agree.. AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #10

You know what is said about California . . . Jack Rabbit Sep 2012 #18

This is something that has to happen..eventually AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #19

We have some of the most progressive thinking and acting legislators... Tikki Sep 2012 #11

My state's government passes a lot of stupid, pointless laws. This is not one of them. slackmaster Sep 2012 #4

Hehehehehe, love Cali! Iliyah Sep 2012 #5

The first of 50, I hope. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #8

Du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #12

One of the worst things you can do to a kid Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #13

I liken it to killing the spirit... sounds kind of heavy, but how else can you describe it? trailmonkee Sep 2012 #14

Menticide Major Nikon Sep 2012 #23

Especially when it is something that they have no choice about and cannot change, nt tblue37 Sep 2012 #49

Totally True, Jeff Shuhered Oct 2012 #124

So now they will farm them out to Arizona or something I bet. dkf Sep 2012 #15

Dr. Bachmann will open a clinic on the Nevada border. Fuddnik Sep 2012 #16

Good for Cali Ash_F Sep 2012 #17

Woot Woot!!! Thank you Gov. Brown secondwind Sep 2012 #20

As much as I loathe the "Gay Cure" theory, I disagree with this ban. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #21

remember the smothering therapy? trailmonkee Sep 2012 #22

Where do you OBJECTIVELY draw the line? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #28

when it is not a medically proven treatment and there is a consensus that it is abusive. trailmonkee Sep 2012 #29

you make it sound so theoretical, like their are no victims CreekDog Oct 2012 #57

If you're deciding public policy, you HAVE to be clinical. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #63

Nice try at misrepresenting the source of opposition to this "treatment" -not just personal opinion CreekDog Oct 2012 #64

I'm simply stating that one person's authority is not necessarily another's. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #66

So Christian Scientists should be allowed to deny their cancer stricken children medical treatment? CreekDog Oct 2012 #68

I believe that we're viewing the issue differently. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #71

You didn't answer the ONLY question I just asked --about Christian Science CreekDog Oct 2012 #73

Again, you jump to conclusions. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #74

You are ageeing that children should be forced to have harmful untheical treatment obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #87

i see it as prisoner of war type torture trailmonkee Oct 2012 #99

Equating a juvenile KILLING someone to a minor being forced into "gay therapy"?! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #86

I draw the line at child torture. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #60

Disagree primavera Oct 2012 #119

Some people's beliefs include cliterectomies, which is banned in the US Major Nikon Sep 2012 #24

It is torture, plain and simple. If an adult wants to be tortured, fine. MADem Sep 2012 #25

religion aside, it is quakery because they are basing it on the idea that you learn to be Gay... trailmonkee Sep 2012 #27

sorry Quackery... completely different than quakery :) trailmonkee Sep 2012 #31

Yes, I agree that it is quackery. MADem Sep 2012 #35

THis, and it also goes against the AMA and APA obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #88

It isn't a full ban but only a ban on doing it to children dsc Sep 2012 #30

Yeah, but now we're getting into the rights of a parent. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #32

What rights? Parents don't have the right to abuse their children. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #34

"Abuse" is your word, not theirs. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #37

Most abusers don't. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #44

sending them to a quack who will try to beat or shock the gay out of them? CreekDog Oct 2012 #58

Or make them feel they're somehow "defective" FloridaJudy Oct 2012 #61

it should be as allowed as a prohibited medical procedure CreekDog Oct 2012 #62

you don't think it's abuse, well that's interesting CreekDog Oct 2012 #59

It's interesting that you can't distinguish between the words "they" and "I". MercutioATC Oct 2012 #69

good luck marginalizing the APA as some sort of personal opinion CreekDog Oct 2012 #70

...and you seem to be way too invested in it to form rational thoughts. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #72

Do you or do you not agree with the APA on this? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #92

Abusers never do obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #91

Well they do 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #38

Parents don't have the right to allow a "therapist" or a religious person to MADem Sep 2012 #36

YOU believe that. THEY don't. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #40

Who's "they?" The parents who get the visit from CPS and have their parental rights abrogated? MADem Sep 2012 #46

+1 Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #108

Stop it, the American Psychiatric Association has CONDEMNED it CreekDog Oct 2012 #65

Case law for paremts being allowed to tirture and abus etheir kids? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #93

children are not cattle dsc Sep 2012 #39

Why not let parents submit kids to trepanning or unmodified electroconvulsive therapy? ck4829 Sep 2012 #42

good examples trailmonkee Sep 2012 #51

It should be allowed obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94

What's a comparable religious practice??? hunter Sep 2012 #45

Actually, raising children in any "faith" is comparable in my opinion. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #47

Well, not so much in my family or community. hunter Sep 2012 #48

ALL Christians tell children they are going to hell, because they are Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #126

Parents don;t ahve a right to abuse and torture their kid obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #90

"we all want to be able to express our personal and religious views without government intervention" Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #41

Advocating that this "therapy" is acceptable for any reason, in any context, is DEEPLY homophobic Occulus Sep 2012 #53

This This This obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #95

it's twisted logic, saying that this abuse of a child must be allowed to protect parental rights CreekDog Oct 2012 #107

His behavior on this thread should get him banned. Occulus Oct 2012 #109

You are not alone in thinking it either. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #112

ugh CreekDog Oct 2012 #56

So, I guess you think we should allow female genital mutilation as well? Jamastiene Oct 2012 #76

No, I don't. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #78

You are fine with that obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #96

"To be clear, I'm not "fine" with it." Occulus Oct 2012 #104

"silly issues" "abomination before god" Really? Jamastiene Oct 2012 #111

You do not have a right to ABUSE YOUR KIDS. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #81

The law isn't about religious views FarawayBlue Oct 2012 #83

uh huh obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #97

Well, in other states, the licensing issues sure are putting a halt to abortion clinics valerief Oct 2012 #100

Evolution is a theory, this isn't a theory obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #85

Right. I can tell you exactly where that "respect religious beliefs on child treatment" goes. Heywood J Oct 2012 #89

I can only surmise that you're a homophobe lunatica Oct 2012 #98

He's a homophobe, all right Occulus Oct 2012 #110

children cannot consent to this therapy, and the state has a right to protect children La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2012 #101

WRONG Kali Oct 2012 #103

So you are in favor of Child Abuse? dbackjon Oct 2012 #106

I would agree with you if there were not children involved. Chemisse Oct 2012 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #120

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #121

I am going to disagree with you here jmowreader Oct 2012 #123

Huzzuh! sakabatou Sep 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #43

Next thing you know they'll want to take away the kids' guns. valerief Sep 2012 #50

You win the thread with that comment! nt MADem Sep 2012 #52

Well Put. Paladin Oct 2012 #84

lol La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2012 #102

Thank god. Third Doctor Oct 2012 #54

Definitely going in the right direction. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #55

Recommended. William769 Oct 2012 #67

The only people who believe you can "pray the gay away" Socal31 Oct 2012 #75

I wonder how soon North Carolina puts another amendment to our state's constitution Jamastiene Oct 2012 #77

Good LAW Shuhered Oct 2012 #79

Welcome to DU and thanks for this great post. cbayer Oct 2012 #105

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #80

Enchante !!!! marmar Oct 2012 #82

K&r Politicub Oct 2012 #114

Jerry Brown, Best Governor in American History. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #115

the other way around kat22 Oct 2012 #116

Excellent point, which highlights the abusive nature of the so-called "therapy" Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #117

May the rest of the country follow libodem Oct 2012 #118

Kick! sarcasmo Oct 2012 #125