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20. I'm talking about an S&P 500 or Total Markets index over the long term
Sat Jul 25, 2020, 02:14 PM
Jul 2020

like since 1926 or e.g. the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund since its August 31, 1976 inception 10.94% average annualized return (search for "Life of Fund" on the page) https://www.thestreet.com/quote/VFINX.html

For shorter periods, yes, sometimes worse, sometimes better. For subsets like MOAT, sometimes better, sometimes worse.

For long term results, I use S&P 500 as a proxy for the total U.S. equity market because there weren't total market indexes or funds back more than 30 years or so. But the S&P 500 represents 75% to 80% of the total U.S. equity market and in the times they've both existed, they've been almost identical - actually the total U.S. market has done a little better because smaller caps tend to do better than large caps over the long run.

Another one to look at for long term results.
http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/datafile/histretSP.html

From the start of 1928 to the end of 2019, $100 in the S&P 500 increased to $502,417 over 92 years. That's a 9.71% average annualized return.

And some 401k's come with rather large fees, which greatly harm long-term results. That's not the fault of the underlying equity investment.

I have no fees in my IRA or regular accounts, for example, and in the case of index mutual funds or ETF funds, expense ratios are well less than 0.1%/year.

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Hmm, this helps Drumpf's pick for the federal reserve lady who loves the gold standard? soothsayer Jul 2020 #1
Just be aware that gold is a highly volatile investment. (Some people think it is a "safe" hedge progree Jul 2020 #2
There are no storage costs and fees when you buy a gold ETF like GLD. former9thward Jul 2020 #6
It's part of the ETF's operating expense. And I disagree that its a good investment though progree Jul 2020 #7
Moat 401Ks don't earn anywhere near 10 percent a year. Mosby Jul 2020 #19
I'm talking about an S&P 500 or Total Markets index over the long term progree Jul 2020 #20
So the people who invested in gold 10 yrs ago are just now breaking even MichMan Jul 2020 #3
It's not so much gold increasing in value ansible Jul 2020 #4
The dollar hasn't lost value against gold in the past 10 years that MichMan used as an example progree Jul 2020 #5
Everyone should always keep some gold in BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #8
Gold doesn't look smart and safe to me. progree Jul 2020 #9
If you look at that chart half are above 50 and half are below it, overall. BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #10
I must be looking at a different chart. What's the "50"? And any investment is half the time progree Jul 2020 #11
That chart looks different than the first one posted BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #12
I'm not following. Can you post the link to the "50/50" chart? And please explain the 50/50? progree Jul 2020 #13
I looked at the link and see the image but don't know how to BigmanPigman Jul 2020 #17
I am at a complete loss as to how the gold-to-silver ratio over time shows that gold progree Jul 2020 #18
Smells like a dollar crisis to me. roamer65 Jul 2020 #14
Tansy Gold has been posting the dollar chart in her daily Stock Market Watch thread progree Jul 2020 #15
THIS. roamer65 Jul 2020 #16
Not this shit again. Xolodno Jul 2020 #21
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