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19. Yup. For me the "etc." includes a couple of big deductible items: state income tax & property tax
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 03:45 PM
Oct 2012

on top of mortgage. Fortunately, I don't have enough medical/dental expenses to exceed the 7.5% AGI limit on those (only medical/dental expenses, including health insurance above 7.5% of Adjusted Gross Income are deductible. So, IF my AGI was 100 K$, and my medical/dental expenses was 10 K$, only 10 K$ - 7.5 K$ = 2.5 K$ would be deductible. If my medical/dental expenses were 7.5 K$ or less, none of it would be deductible).

This $17,000 deduction cap thing is a gimmick. The Tax Policy Center (TPC) 8/1/12 determined that Romney's plan -- cutting marginal tax rates 20% across the board, eliminating some deductions and loopholes (starting with the wealthy's first in the TPC study), and still have a revenue-neutral tax system without raising taxes on the middle class -- is mathematically impossible. Adding on a $17,000 deduction cap doesn't make the mathematically impossible suddenly possible. Actually, by adding another constraint, it becomes mathematically more impossible.

The below is my synopsis of a number of press reports on the Tax Policy Center study.

The well respected non-partisan Tax Policy Center ( http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2012/08/01-tax-reform-brown-gale-looney ) has determined that it is mathematically impossible for Mitt Romney's plan to not result in both a decrease in taxes paid by the higher income earners and an INCREASE in taxes paid by the middle and lower classes.

In the words of the Tax Policy Center: [font color=brown]"Even when we assume that tax breaks – like the charitable deduction, mortgage interest deduction, and the exclusion for health insurance – are completely eliminated for higher-income households first, and only then reduced as necessary for other households to achieve overall revenue-neutrality– the net effect of the plan would be a tax cut for high-income households coupled with a tax increase for middle-income households."[/font]

Romney's stated plan, at the time of the Tax Policy Center study on 8/1/12, was:

* lower marginal tax rates across the board by 20%
* eliminate the estate tax
* eliminate some unspecified deductions and loopholes
* be revenue neutral (i.e. no reduction or increase in total taxes collected)

Because the value of the 20-percent tax cut for richer Americans would exceed the gains they get from popular tax breaks that Romney might chop, they would see the greatest income gain from Romney's possible changes, the study said.

The Tax Policy Center even assumed what they called some implausibly large economic growth effects of Romney's plan.


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Keep on talking, Wrongney . . . fleur-de-lisa Oct 2012 #1
I hope Jim Lehrer holds Mitt's feet to the fire tonight and makes him explain himself renate Oct 2012 #2
The deduction cap may also negatively impact donations to the arts and charities no_hypocrisy Oct 2012 #3
but, but, but these agencies are supposed to do the work of helping the poor central scrutinizer Oct 2012 #7
The right has been at war... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #10
Change 'may' to 'will' and you have something jmowreader Oct 2012 #40
This is not a legitimate proposal ... it's a contrivance bucolic_frolic Oct 2012 #4
How about we just extend the Bush Tax cuts for the lower 95% Cosmocat Oct 2012 #18
That's not how it works jmowreader Oct 2012 #41
I am TRYING to help my somewhat sane republican friends Cosmocat Oct 2012 #44
Is it just itemized deductions? I'm not sure that what he said. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #5
This is what he said: muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #14
It couldn't possibly be revenue neutral because BlueStreak Oct 2012 #15
BINGO Cosmocat Oct 2012 #21
Right. It was never intended to be revenue neutral BlueStreak Oct 2012 #25
You also forgot his corporate tax cut jmowreader Oct 2012 #42
There are more than two choices BlueStreak Oct 2012 #45
We could and should do all these things... jmowreader Oct 2012 #46
The GNCGFH Act of 2013. I like it. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #47
You need an annual income of roughly $150,000 to afford a $500,000 mortgage. Lasher Oct 2012 #6
$17,000 cap includes medical deductions, etc. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #8
Few People Get To Take Medical Deductions DallasNE Oct 2012 #13
Yup. For me the "etc." includes a couple of big deductible items: state income tax & property tax progree Oct 2012 #19
^Listen to Progree, he's smart...eom Kolesar Oct 2012 #22
Great post. N/t emulatorloo Oct 2012 #39
Your numbers are completely WRONG CreekDog Oct 2012 #9
Bay Area home buyers could still deduct *most* of their interest Kolesar Oct 2012 #16
look, if you are gung ho in defending the romney tax plan CreekDog Oct 2012 #26
That was stupid on your part Kolesar Oct 2012 #27
as proud as your are smug CreekDog Oct 2012 #31
I also find it laughable that you think someone can't get a mortgage more than 19% of gross income CreekDog Oct 2012 #11
Your ignorance doesn't make me wrong. Lasher Oct 2012 #32
I provided the numbers that show you are wrong CreekDog Oct 2012 #33
Ended up getting a cheaper place, did you? Lasher Oct 2012 #34
I didn't have a liar's loan, my income ratios were fine, my credit ratings well over 800... CreekDog Oct 2012 #35
OK let's take a closer look. Lasher Oct 2012 #36
you're saying my taxes should go up by 4000 so that the wealthy can have that money? CreekDog Oct 2012 #37
Looks like you're not laughing anymore. Lasher Oct 2012 #38
The Concept Makes No Sense DallasNE Oct 2012 #12
It is all WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. Why should America be talking about this now? BlueStreak Oct 2012 #17
Isn't it crazy that Romney can beat up the President for "wealth redistribution" one day and then Texas Lawyer Oct 2012 #28
The deduction cap came out of Romney's dunce cap. Vapors. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #20
The laws regarding capital gains taxes on the sale of a house already harm people in the JDPriestly Oct 2012 #23
This would target Romney's prime profit harvesting zone. Turbineguy Oct 2012 #24
Yes. NutmegYankee Oct 2012 #43
And don't forget Ryan's "Broaden the base" OldHippieChick Oct 2012 #29
We need to broaden the base to lighten the load on the overburdened millionaires and billionaires Texas Lawyer Oct 2012 #30
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