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80. I have long thought Virginia is a liar

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 11:42 AM

Jul 2020

There are many problems with her accounts, which have changed over time

People have been upset with me because I have always said I don’t believe her charges against Dershowitz. I went to law school. I read a thousand ways people were caught committing crimes. As a result I just naturally know that there might be cameras or devices listening Pretty much everywhere. In a business meeting in a high rise I just assume someone might have aimed a laser at the window to listen in, for business advantage reasons, for instance. So I absolutely do not believe Dershowitz would have had sex with a child in an Epstein property. The odds are absurdly small anyway but he certainly would have known he was at grave risk of life in jail. It just didn’t happen, I will give ten to one odds happily.

I have always suspected her. And it is very rare that I have suspicions about sex accusers. But Virginia? I have always gotten liar vibes from her.

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Bill Clinton Went to Jeffrey Epstein's Island With 2 'Young Girls', Virginia Giuffre Says [View all] Devil Child Jul 2020 OP

This might explain Hillary's absence yesterday at Lewis' memorial. secondwind Jul 2020 #1

I wondered about her absence. CTyankee Jul 2020 #2

Was Michelle there? I think it had more to do with COVID pre-cautions and seating arrangements. nt monmouth4 Jul 2020 #11

I think you're right PatSeg Jul 2020 #21

I don't Rebl2 Jul 2020 #37

Speaker Pelosi pointed out that even the Congressional delegation was limited due to social distanci niyad Jul 2020 #42

None of the former first ladies was there. lapucelle Aug 2020 #164

How? delisen Jul 2020 #5

Why does DownriverDem Jul 2020 #26

Health concerns are more likely. I'm sure she knew about this already Jose Garcia Jul 2020 #51

I'm thinking 1 representative per family & Bill was it do to seating restrictions nt yaesu Jul 2020 #59

Nonsense. Nothing in the article tells me Bill Clinton did anything. Esptein seems boastful onetexan Jul 2020 #101

like I would believe her azureblue Jul 2020 #115

Certainly seems there's a political agenda to this article. brush Aug 2020 #139

Know before you post azureblue Jul 2020 #116

I think it had more to do with COVID. How many other spouses were not there? Hekate Aug 2020 #143

Neither Michelle Obama nor Laura Bush was there. N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #167

Exactly Hekate Aug 2020 #171

Well since we can't believe police brutality without pictures... LakeArenal Jul 2020 #3

found this on reddit: catsudon Jul 2020 #28

Thanks for the links catsudon! Devil Child Jul 2020 #34

Sorry I am not a cut and paster with no notepad. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #48

thanks. did anyone see names like limbaugh and hannity in there? certainot Jul 2020 #75

no catsudon Jul 2020 #78

Hawking was know to frequent strip clubs kskiska Aug 2020 #153

What are we supposed to be hunting for? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #169

Its not really "new" information; its been out there for a long time. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #38

Not information. Rumored. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #57

Well, its more than just a rumor when its questioning by an attorney. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #60

You have read the transcript? Even if Maxwell said it it's still a rumor. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #63

there is nothing wrong standing next to maxwell catsudon Jul 2020 #67

Checkmate! Devil Child Jul 2020 #69

What does that mean? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #170

This is not on the word of Maxwell SoCalNative Jul 2020 #72

I dont think that fact matters either. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #82

Trump doesnt say anything about it because he has his OWN problems with Epstein. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #83

Giuffre gave no details, other than to say she saw him and there were 2 young females there, too. pnwmom Aug 2020 #168

That isn't what it says. It doesn't say he traveled there with two young girls. pnwmom Jul 2020 #4

Exactly! The Island has a huge house and three guest cottages. At any time there probably were.... George II Jul 2020 #10

Clinton says he was never on the island FBaggins Jul 2020 #25

There is at least one other person who has said he saw BC on the Island Cosmocat Jul 2020 #35

I'm not sure that two is enough in this case FBaggins Jul 2020 #68

There just is a lot of factors that give me pause with him on this Cosmocat Jul 2020 #111

Yes, he has admitted that he flew on Epstein's plane for Clinton Foundation stuff, Greg K Jul 2020 #96

Bull shit Clinton never travels without SS protection. And those who attack Bill Clinton Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #187

Hmmm... Let's look at who has a history of playing wordgames Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #79

Clinton has said he wasn't there. And the flight logs don't show him there. pnwmom Jul 2020 #134

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #135

Who cares about Bill Clinton? Except for some Trumpers trying to distract. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #138

Apparently a number of folk on our side Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #147

What woman? Not a single woman has accused Bill Clinton pnwmom Aug 2020 #148

Hmmm lets look at people who accuse a Democrat with nothing but innuendo but give Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #188

facts really don't matter as long as americans let trump/putin rule the radio waves certainot Jul 2020 #50

Right. I am so not going to defend Bill,, and throw his ass in prison IF..., LizBeth Jul 2020 #74

Were they "with" him or were they there at the same time as him? I was just at the supermarket.... George II Jul 2020 #6

Look Cosmocat Jul 2020 #43

What other people put Bill Clinton on the island? lapucelle Aug 2020 #172

I was replying to the post Cosmocat Aug 2020 #174

What other people put Clinton on the islamd? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #175

Netflix doc Cosmocat Aug 2020 #181

Rupert Murdoch's NY Post is a right wing source lapucelle Aug 2020 #183

Here's what James Patterson (who wrote the book that led to the Netflix docuseries) had to say lapucelle Aug 2020 #184

+1 betsuni Aug 2020 #185

+++ sheshe2 Aug 2020 #193

Here's the part you left out melman Aug 2020 #194

Yes, when Patterson was writing his Epstein book, he wasn't yet friendly with Bill Clinton. lapucelle Aug 2020 #196

Mahalo, lapucelle!! Cha Aug 2020 #197

If Bill Clinton Zoonart Jul 2020 #7

T H I S Cosmocat Jul 2020 #44

I agree. Show me proof, and I'll be totally behind his having his ass handed to him. Along with Squinch Jul 2020 #55

+1 K&R onetexan Jul 2020 #102

Fox tried really hard to find proof for the claim back in 2016, lapucelle Aug 2020 #176

Never understood those who rush to attack Democrats on this site...almost like they were Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #189

+1 LizBeth Jul 2020 #77

Exactly RandiFan1290 Aug 2020 #146

Bill better man up and come clean, and do so now. No Lewinsky denials or sidesteps. 0nirevets Jul 2020 #8

What does President Clinton need to "man up and come clean" about? A vague sentence or two.... George II Jul 2020 #17

No one is going to admit to raping underage girls. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2020 #19

your response sounds like your support right-wing smears rb15 Jul 2020 #27

let's focus on trump's admitted sexual assaults samsingh Jul 2020 #45

Nothing to "man up" and come clean for yet. As far as I know, there isn't anything to support these Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #141

WJC addressed this story both in 2016 when Fox carried it, lapucelle Aug 2020 #152

Knowing how these things usually play out Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #159

Bill doesn't need to do a thing to ease the "concerns" of anyone. oasis Aug 2020 #182

There is nothing to disclose from what I can see...Faux tried to find anything on this Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #190

And Biden probably sinks 10 points with this news Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #9

Why? Given the catastrophe of this nation, I don't see it. ancianita Jul 2020 #13

I was being sarcastic Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #31

UP? I havent seen any polls showing trump rising. nt oldsoftie Jul 2020 #46

I see. Well, maybe use the sarcasm emoticon, then? Just sayin'. ancianita Jul 2020 #71

What? Sarcasm again? Trump is plummeting like a stone. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #91

No way DownriverDem Jul 2020 #29

What does this have to do with Biden? Boomer Jul 2020 #30

Man, that name and those words should not be anywhere near this thread. WTF? LakeArenal Jul 2020 #53

ROFLOL....no Bengus81 Jul 2020 #70

Why? Whatever the Big Dog is accused of, it'll be nothing compared to Mushroomdick's list ... marble falls Jul 2020 #76

This is how we end up with election year Pizzagate myths.Best to follow facts. delisen Jul 2020 #12

Eric started a meme that Bill was seen in the same bldg as Maxwell. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #14

I like that one - more photos of him with Maxwell than with Barron. George II Jul 2020 #18

Even weirder, I've never seen a picture of Trump with John Barron. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #93

As much as I like Bill, and supported him through it all, tekriter Jul 2020 #15

As far as we know, and Lord knows they've tried, he has done NOTHING since he was with.... George II Jul 2020 #20

When did Hillary say this? I doubt she did rb15 Jul 2020 #33

Seriously? tekriter Jul 2020 #54

She apparently said it in an interview years ago. Several stories allude to the comment. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #56

Disturbing... She suggests he has emotional scars that compel him to have affairs?! "Addiction." JudyM Jul 2020 #106

Why is that disturbing? lapucelle Aug 2020 #186

YEP Cosmocat Jul 2020 #47

I'm also interested in what is proven to be true. hamsterjill Jul 2020 #125

Disappointed in Newsweek's insinuations here IronLionZion Jul 2020 #16

+1 ffr Jul 2020 #23

Interesting that there's no mention of Dershowitz and passing mention of trump in that article. George II Jul 2020 #95

Newsweek lost me about twelve years ago. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #154

Don't put too much effort into defending Bill, Under The Radar Jul 2020 #22

Clinton has said that he's never even been to the island... Greg K Jul 2020 #24

There is at least one other person who has said he was there Cosmocat Jul 2020 #49

Who? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #173

IT Guy from Neflix didn't say "a few times". lapucelle Aug 2020 #192

Clinton also said he never had sex with Monica Lewinsky Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #81

Correct! It is a mistake to defend him Under The Radar Jul 2020 #89

It is also a mistake to convict him absent any hard evidence. Greg K Jul 2020 #97

I agree. There are many more involved some that will shock us and some not so much. Under The Radar Jul 2020 #98

Clinton, while a competent president Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #100

For a man of such gifts as Clinton, his addiction to sex is undisputed Under The Radar Jul 2020 #105

Are we mitigating his unethical behavior Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #112

No we are not. He should own his shame and the best speech writer Under The Radar Jul 2020 #130

He took 6 trips on Epstein's plane, 26 flights total because some of the trips had multiple stops. Greg K Jul 2020 #131

Thank you, Greg K. n/t pnwmom Aug 2020 #166

/ This, very much. MrsCheaplaugh Jul 2020 #136

Epstein and Trump were establishment donor class types back then, radius777 Aug 2020 #179

And yet not a single woman accusing Clinton was underage at the time pnwmom Aug 2020 #165

Bill was a player, who liked consensual sex with women, not a creep. radius777 Aug 2020 #177

+1 betsuni Aug 2020 #180

But of course Bill Clinton was there with 2 young girls. I'm suprised people aren't saying it was 10 hadEnuf Jul 2020 #32

trying to take the heat off Alan? stillcool Jul 2020 #36

Exactly. Funny no one has mentioned him in LBN. George II Jul 2020 #41

I remember reading the last time there were stories about his supposed numerous trips to the island, niyad Jul 2020 #39

Bill Clinton has been out of office for 20 years ucrdem Jul 2020 #40

Yet here it is. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #155

"...child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein" SledDriver Jul 2020 #52

That last sentence of your post needs to be shouted at every opportunity Devil Child Jul 2020 #62

They way some people react to this information is fascinating to me. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #58

Is "Epstein's Island" the one where that big fire was, or did he have more than one island? Talitha Jul 2020 #61

Of course we hear about a Democrat first before the scores of Repuke Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #64

In the end, this isn't about Republican and Democrat Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #65

Agreed, flip every rock and expose those lurking beneath n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #66

Why would it not be true? Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #73

I have long thought Virginia is a liar Cicada Jul 2020 #80

What about the other girls who have given testimony? Dont believe them either? oldsoftie Jul 2020 #84

No I do believe them, in general. Cicada Jul 2020 #87

The island's IT guy said he saw Clinton on the island. You can watch him say it in the Squinch Jul 2020 #104

The source for the report an IT guy seeing Clinton was an infowars outlet Cicada Jul 2020 #109

No. As I said, it was the guy himself who reported it on camera in the Netflix documentary. Squinch Jul 2020 #117

Odd it wasn't on flight logs Either coming or going which seemed detailed. Cicada Jul 2020 #121

So your first objection was that there were no reports corroborating the woman's Squinch Jul 2020 #122

i see where you are going with this one, catsudon Jul 2020 #124

Yep. My man Joe is the 2020 Presidential candidate who wasn't friends with the extortionist Squinch Jul 2020 #126

This is new information Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #85

maybe they meant "young gulls" instead DBoon Jul 2020 #86

Wow. Can't believe how many people here want to digest this as fact. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #88

All the flight logs show Clinton going other places, not the island Cicada Jul 2020 #90

26 times? Wtf. Epstein's plane was a porno island in the sky. miyazaki Jul 2020 #128

6 trips, 26 flights total as some trips had multiple stops. Greg K Jul 2020 #132

Clinton was loaned the plane to make trips to Africa & Asia connected to Clinton Foundation events. lapucelle Aug 2020 #151

Six flights with multiple legs -- and his Secret Service agents were there, too. n/t pnwmom Aug 2020 #163

I don't care who is involved or what their political affiliation. Vinca Jul 2020 #92

Stow the Clinton trashing until we get trump out of office. Paladin Jul 2020 #94

This ! n/t Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #113

Exactly. trump is the elephant in the room and they focus on Clinton? brush Aug 2020 #140

The title should say Bill Clinton allegedly went to...... chowder66 Jul 2020 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo Jul 2020 #103

You know who wasn't friends with Epstein and Maxwell? Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #107

Sounds like a good campaign ad n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #108

I've thought that, too Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #119

I believe neither Clinton or Trump did anything with underage LeftInTX Jul 2020 #110

I disagree on both of those defenses Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #118

If something is disgustingly evil and wrong, and Trump had the opportunity to do it, I believe he Squinch Jul 2020 #123

I will respond to the Trump part of your post. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #195

Let the chips fall where they may, denem Jul 2020 #114

If it was during his term the (new extended) statute of limitations is about to kick in. ucrdem Jul 2020 #120

I agree LeftInTX Jul 2020 #127

Clinton was never there Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #129

I cant find any stories where the SS says Bill was never there. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #133

Fox News report in 2016. lapucelle Aug 2020 #150

"no agents were ever on the island". It doesnt say HE was never there. oldsoftie Aug 2020 #161

A former president may waive his right to protection. Clinton hasn't. lapucelle Aug 2020 #162

Indeed, I can't imagine that a former President could just "ditch" SS protection without Greg K Aug 2020 #191

Clinton enid602 Jul 2020 #137

If Bill Clinton is involved in this Raine Aug 2020 #142

Bill loves women. betsuni Aug 2020 #144

Exactly. Bill was a rock star that women liked, radius777 Aug 2020 #178

Clinton impersonator? John1956PA Aug 2020 #145

This "breaking news" was debunked in a May 2016 report. lapucelle Aug 2020 #149

Breaking news is now four years old? sheshe2 Aug 2020 #156

Newsweek resurrected an old headline concerning allegations that have been public knowledge lapucelle Aug 2020 #158

We know who it benefits. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #160

Plus the timeline would mean this happened either while Clinton was president JI7 Aug 2020 #157

HOW MANY GIRLS DID TRUMP GO THERE WITH???? ElementaryPenguin Aug 2020 #198