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112. Are we mitigating his unethical behavior

Fri Jul 31, 2020, 02:32 PM

Jul 2020

and adultery by saying that because some of the women engaged in consensual sex with him, it wasn't all that bad? Are we going to overlook the difference in power dynamic?

Certainly, people's sex lives are their own business, but cheating on your wife is cheating on your wife. Also, how many women who might have had unwanted advances from him, taken one look at what happened to Lewinsky and took a pass on going public?

Now we learn that his sexual appetite might have been even more unsavory, and we have folk coming out to defend him and possibly begin victim blaming. I am willing to afford him the benefit of a doubt about his conduct vis-a-vis teenage girls, but not the fact that he FREQUENTLY hung out with Epstein. He flew on the mans plane how often? How many times do you have to see a 40-something man in the company of teenage girls not his daughter before you ask questions?

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Bill Clinton Went to Jeffrey Epstein's Island With 2 'Young Girls', Virginia Giuffre Says [View all] Devil Child Jul 2020 OP

This might explain Hillary's absence yesterday at Lewis' memorial. secondwind Jul 2020 #1

I wondered about her absence. CTyankee Jul 2020 #2

Was Michelle there? I think it had more to do with COVID pre-cautions and seating arrangements. nt monmouth4 Jul 2020 #11

I think you're right PatSeg Jul 2020 #21

I don't Rebl2 Jul 2020 #37

Speaker Pelosi pointed out that even the Congressional delegation was limited due to social distanci niyad Jul 2020 #42

None of the former first ladies was there. lapucelle Aug 2020 #164

How? delisen Jul 2020 #5

Why does DownriverDem Jul 2020 #26

Health concerns are more likely. I'm sure she knew about this already Jose Garcia Jul 2020 #51

I'm thinking 1 representative per family & Bill was it do to seating restrictions nt yaesu Jul 2020 #59

Nonsense. Nothing in the article tells me Bill Clinton did anything. Esptein seems boastful onetexan Jul 2020 #101

like I would believe her azureblue Jul 2020 #115

Certainly seems there's a political agenda to this article. brush Aug 2020 #139

Know before you post azureblue Jul 2020 #116

I think it had more to do with COVID. How many other spouses were not there? Hekate Aug 2020 #143

Neither Michelle Obama nor Laura Bush was there. N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #167

Exactly Hekate Aug 2020 #171

Well since we can't believe police brutality without pictures... LakeArenal Jul 2020 #3

found this on reddit: catsudon Jul 2020 #28

Thanks for the links catsudon! Devil Child Jul 2020 #34

Sorry I am not a cut and paster with no notepad. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #48

thanks. did anyone see names like limbaugh and hannity in there? certainot Jul 2020 #75

no catsudon Jul 2020 #78

Hawking was know to frequent strip clubs kskiska Aug 2020 #153

What are we supposed to be hunting for? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #169

Its not really "new" information; its been out there for a long time. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #38

Not information. Rumored. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #57

Well, its more than just a rumor when its questioning by an attorney. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #60

You have read the transcript? Even if Maxwell said it it's still a rumor. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #63

there is nothing wrong standing next to maxwell catsudon Jul 2020 #67

Checkmate! Devil Child Jul 2020 #69

What does that mean? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #170

This is not on the word of Maxwell SoCalNative Jul 2020 #72

I dont think that fact matters either. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #82

Trump doesnt say anything about it because he has his OWN problems with Epstein. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #83

Giuffre gave no details, other than to say she saw him and there were 2 young females there, too. pnwmom Aug 2020 #168

That isn't what it says. It doesn't say he traveled there with two young girls. pnwmom Jul 2020 #4

Exactly! The Island has a huge house and three guest cottages. At any time there probably were.... George II Jul 2020 #10

Clinton says he was never on the island FBaggins Jul 2020 #25

There is at least one other person who has said he saw BC on the Island Cosmocat Jul 2020 #35

I'm not sure that two is enough in this case FBaggins Jul 2020 #68

There just is a lot of factors that give me pause with him on this Cosmocat Jul 2020 #111

Yes, he has admitted that he flew on Epstein's plane for Clinton Foundation stuff, Greg K Jul 2020 #96

Bull shit Clinton never travels without SS protection. And those who attack Bill Clinton Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #187

Hmmm... Let's look at who has a history of playing wordgames Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #79

Clinton has said he wasn't there. And the flight logs don't show him there. pnwmom Jul 2020 #134

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #135

Who cares about Bill Clinton? Except for some Trumpers trying to distract. n/t pnwmom Jul 2020 #138

Apparently a number of folk on our side Miguelito Loveless Aug 2020 #147

What woman? Not a single woman has accused Bill Clinton pnwmom Aug 2020 #148

Hmmm lets look at people who accuse a Democrat with nothing but innuendo but give Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #188

facts really don't matter as long as americans let trump/putin rule the radio waves certainot Jul 2020 #50

Right. I am so not going to defend Bill,, and throw his ass in prison IF..., LizBeth Jul 2020 #74

Were they "with" him or were they there at the same time as him? I was just at the supermarket.... George II Jul 2020 #6

Look Cosmocat Jul 2020 #43

What other people put Bill Clinton on the island? lapucelle Aug 2020 #172

I was replying to the post Cosmocat Aug 2020 #174

What other people put Clinton on the islamd? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #175

Netflix doc Cosmocat Aug 2020 #181

Rupert Murdoch's NY Post is a right wing source lapucelle Aug 2020 #183

Here's what James Patterson (who wrote the book that led to the Netflix docuseries) had to say lapucelle Aug 2020 #184

+1 betsuni Aug 2020 #185

+++ sheshe2 Aug 2020 #193

Here's the part you left out melman Aug 2020 #194

Yes, when Patterson was writing his Epstein book, he wasn't yet friendly with Bill Clinton. lapucelle Aug 2020 #196

Mahalo, lapucelle!! Cha Aug 2020 #197

If Bill Clinton Zoonart Jul 2020 #7

T H I S Cosmocat Jul 2020 #44

I agree. Show me proof, and I'll be totally behind his having his ass handed to him. Along with Squinch Jul 2020 #55

+1 K&R onetexan Jul 2020 #102

Fox tried really hard to find proof for the claim back in 2016, lapucelle Aug 2020 #176

Never understood those who rush to attack Democrats on this site...almost like they were Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #189

+1 LizBeth Jul 2020 #77

Exactly RandiFan1290 Aug 2020 #146

Bill better man up and come clean, and do so now. No Lewinsky denials or sidesteps. 0nirevets Jul 2020 #8

What does President Clinton need to "man up and come clean" about? A vague sentence or two.... George II Jul 2020 #17

No one is going to admit to raping underage girls. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2020 #19

your response sounds like your support right-wing smears rb15 Jul 2020 #27

let's focus on trump's admitted sexual assaults samsingh Jul 2020 #45

Nothing to "man up" and come clean for yet. As far as I know, there isn't anything to support these Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #141

WJC addressed this story both in 2016 when Fox carried it, lapucelle Aug 2020 #152

Knowing how these things usually play out Sapient Donkey Aug 2020 #159

Bill doesn't need to do a thing to ease the "concerns" of anyone. oasis Aug 2020 #182

There is nothing to disclose from what I can see...Faux tried to find anything on this Demsrule86 Aug 2020 #190

And Biden probably sinks 10 points with this news Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #9

Why? Given the catastrophe of this nation, I don't see it. ancianita Jul 2020 #13

I was being sarcastic Dopers_Greed Jul 2020 #31

UP? I havent seen any polls showing trump rising. nt oldsoftie Jul 2020 #46

I see. Well, maybe use the sarcasm emoticon, then? Just sayin'. ancianita Jul 2020 #71

What? Sarcasm again? Trump is plummeting like a stone. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #91

No way DownriverDem Jul 2020 #29

What does this have to do with Biden? Boomer Jul 2020 #30

Man, that name and those words should not be anywhere near this thread. WTF? LakeArenal Jul 2020 #53

ROFLOL....no Bengus81 Jul 2020 #70

Why? Whatever the Big Dog is accused of, it'll be nothing compared to Mushroomdick's list ... marble falls Jul 2020 #76

This is how we end up with election year Pizzagate myths.Best to follow facts. delisen Jul 2020 #12

Eric started a meme that Bill was seen in the same bldg as Maxwell. keithbvadu2 Jul 2020 #14

I like that one - more photos of him with Maxwell than with Barron. George II Jul 2020 #18

Even weirder, I've never seen a picture of Trump with John Barron. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #93

As much as I like Bill, and supported him through it all, tekriter Jul 2020 #15

As far as we know, and Lord knows they've tried, he has done NOTHING since he was with.... George II Jul 2020 #20

When did Hillary say this? I doubt she did rb15 Jul 2020 #33

Seriously? tekriter Jul 2020 #54

She apparently said it in an interview years ago. Several stories allude to the comment. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #56

Disturbing... She suggests he has emotional scars that compel him to have affairs?! "Addiction." JudyM Jul 2020 #106

Why is that disturbing? lapucelle Aug 2020 #186

YEP Cosmocat Jul 2020 #47

I'm also interested in what is proven to be true. hamsterjill Jul 2020 #125

Disappointed in Newsweek's insinuations here IronLionZion Jul 2020 #16

+1 ffr Jul 2020 #23

Interesting that there's no mention of Dershowitz and passing mention of trump in that article. George II Jul 2020 #95

Newsweek lost me about twelve years ago. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #154

Don't put too much effort into defending Bill, Under The Radar Jul 2020 #22

Clinton has said that he's never even been to the island... Greg K Jul 2020 #24

There is at least one other person who has said he was there Cosmocat Jul 2020 #49

Who? N/T lapucelle Aug 2020 #173

IT Guy from Neflix didn't say "a few times". lapucelle Aug 2020 #192

Clinton also said he never had sex with Monica Lewinsky Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #81

Correct! It is a mistake to defend him Under The Radar Jul 2020 #89

It is also a mistake to convict him absent any hard evidence. Greg K Jul 2020 #97

I agree. There are many more involved some that will shock us and some not so much. Under The Radar Jul 2020 #98

Clinton, while a competent president Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #100

For a man of such gifts as Clinton, his addiction to sex is undisputed Under The Radar Jul 2020 #105

Are we mitigating his unethical behavior Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #112

No we are not. He should own his shame and the best speech writer Under The Radar Jul 2020 #130

He took 6 trips on Epstein's plane, 26 flights total because some of the trips had multiple stops. Greg K Jul 2020 #131

Thank you, Greg K. n/t pnwmom Aug 2020 #166

/ This, very much. MrsCheaplaugh Jul 2020 #136

Epstein and Trump were establishment donor class types back then, radius777 Aug 2020 #179

And yet not a single woman accusing Clinton was underage at the time pnwmom Aug 2020 #165

Bill was a player, who liked consensual sex with women, not a creep. radius777 Aug 2020 #177

+1 betsuni Aug 2020 #180

But of course Bill Clinton was there with 2 young girls. I'm suprised people aren't saying it was 10 hadEnuf Jul 2020 #32

trying to take the heat off Alan? stillcool Jul 2020 #36

Exactly. Funny no one has mentioned him in LBN. George II Jul 2020 #41

I remember reading the last time there were stories about his supposed numerous trips to the island, niyad Jul 2020 #39

Bill Clinton has been out of office for 20 years ucrdem Jul 2020 #40

Yet here it is. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #155

"...child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein" SledDriver Jul 2020 #52

That last sentence of your post needs to be shouted at every opportunity Devil Child Jul 2020 #62

They way some people react to this information is fascinating to me. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #58

Is "Epstein's Island" the one where that big fire was, or did he have more than one island? Talitha Jul 2020 #61

Of course we hear about a Democrat first before the scores of Repuke Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #64

In the end, this isn't about Republican and Democrat Mr. Ected Jul 2020 #65

Agreed, flip every rock and expose those lurking beneath n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #66

Why would it not be true? Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #73

I have long thought Virginia is a liar Cicada Jul 2020 #80

What about the other girls who have given testimony? Dont believe them either? oldsoftie Jul 2020 #84

No I do believe them, in general. Cicada Jul 2020 #87

The island's IT guy said he saw Clinton on the island. You can watch him say it in the Squinch Jul 2020 #104

The source for the report an IT guy seeing Clinton was an infowars outlet Cicada Jul 2020 #109

No. As I said, it was the guy himself who reported it on camera in the Netflix documentary. Squinch Jul 2020 #117

Odd it wasn't on flight logs Either coming or going which seemed detailed. Cicada Jul 2020 #121

So your first objection was that there were no reports corroborating the woman's Squinch Jul 2020 #122

i see where you are going with this one, catsudon Jul 2020 #124

Yep. My man Joe is the 2020 Presidential candidate who wasn't friends with the extortionist Squinch Jul 2020 #126

This is new information Joinfortmill Jul 2020 #85

maybe they meant "young gulls" instead DBoon Jul 2020 #86

Wow. Can't believe how many people here want to digest this as fact. LakeArenal Jul 2020 #88

All the flight logs show Clinton going other places, not the island Cicada Jul 2020 #90

26 times? Wtf. Epstein's plane was a porno island in the sky. miyazaki Jul 2020 #128

6 trips, 26 flights total as some trips had multiple stops. Greg K Jul 2020 #132

Clinton was loaned the plane to make trips to Africa & Asia connected to Clinton Foundation events. lapucelle Aug 2020 #151

Six flights with multiple legs -- and his Secret Service agents were there, too. n/t pnwmom Aug 2020 #163

I don't care who is involved or what their political affiliation. Vinca Jul 2020 #92

Stow the Clinton trashing until we get trump out of office. Paladin Jul 2020 #94

This ! n/t Greybnk48 Jul 2020 #113

Exactly. trump is the elephant in the room and they focus on Clinton? brush Aug 2020 #140

The title should say Bill Clinton allegedly went to...... chowder66 Jul 2020 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author sarcasmo Jul 2020 #103

You know who wasn't friends with Epstein and Maxwell? Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #107

Sounds like a good campaign ad n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #108

I've thought that, too Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #119

I believe neither Clinton or Trump did anything with underage LeftInTX Jul 2020 #110

I disagree on both of those defenses Sugarcoated Jul 2020 #118

If something is disgustingly evil and wrong, and Trump had the opportunity to do it, I believe he Squinch Jul 2020 #123

I will respond to the Trump part of your post. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #195

Let the chips fall where they may, denem Jul 2020 #114

If it was during his term the (new extended) statute of limitations is about to kick in. ucrdem Jul 2020 #120

I agree LeftInTX Jul 2020 #127

Clinton was never there Johnny2X2X Jul 2020 #129

I cant find any stories where the SS says Bill was never there. oldsoftie Jul 2020 #133

Fox News report in 2016. lapucelle Aug 2020 #150

"no agents were ever on the island". It doesnt say HE was never there. oldsoftie Aug 2020 #161

A former president may waive his right to protection. Clinton hasn't. lapucelle Aug 2020 #162

Indeed, I can't imagine that a former President could just "ditch" SS protection without Greg K Aug 2020 #191

Clinton enid602 Jul 2020 #137

If Bill Clinton is involved in this Raine Aug 2020 #142

Bill loves women. betsuni Aug 2020 #144

Exactly. Bill was a rock star that women liked, radius777 Aug 2020 #178

Clinton impersonator? John1956PA Aug 2020 #145

This "breaking news" was debunked in a May 2016 report. lapucelle Aug 2020 #149

Breaking news is now four years old? sheshe2 Aug 2020 #156

Newsweek resurrected an old headline concerning allegations that have been public knowledge lapucelle Aug 2020 #158

We know who it benefits. sheshe2 Aug 2020 #160

Plus the timeline would mean this happened either while Clinton was president JI7 Aug 2020 #157

HOW MANY GIRLS DID TRUMP GO THERE WITH???? ElementaryPenguin Aug 2020 #198