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43. Yeah, but that's part of the legal problem...

Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:29 PM

Jan 2012

Specifically the portion of the law that says:
"3. Are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic race; and"
...was designed to take out any singular individual ethnic perspective, unless it was taught in a context of multiple ethnic perspectives.

Since I've seen you around the Americas topics, and you have a Khalo avatar, I'll assume you're quite versed in quite a few perspectives ... and having grown up in Tucson, it's *really* hard to communicate what's going on to outsiders, but I'll give it a shot.

What people like my little brother believe (he's a Tucson firefighter/EMT) is that "Mexican studies" are as offensive, and dangerous, as a school in Germany teaching "Aryan studies". The fear is not about learning other perspectives, but about a dominant perspective being used, to the detriment of others.

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Tucson USD bans Shaekespeare's Tempest, Chicano Studies books [View all] L. Coyote Jan 2012 OP

It is so hard to imagine this!! roody Jan 2012 #1

Brave new world, indeed. EFerrari Jan 2012 #3

Huxley is probably banned, too. Orrex Jan 2012 #11

my first thought, too wordpix Jan 2012 #56

Um Scairp Jan 2012 #61

There is no typo in the title at the link. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #81

Decades ago they were pulling books off school shelves, and the country seemed so primitive. Judi Lynn Jan 2012 #2

That school district is under federal supervision. What is Holder waiting for, anyway. EFerrari Jan 2012 #4

I grew up in that district. boppers Jan 2012 #7

Ethnic studies isn't about learning resentment. EFerrari Jan 2012 #8

Here's how I interpreted it, as it happened, in real time, with my peers, 20 some years ago: boppers Jan 2012 #9

Oh, and it wasn't "Ethnic Studies". boppers Jan 2012 #10

Mexican American studies are ethinic studies. EFerrari Jan 2012 #32

Yeah, but that's part of the legal problem... boppers Jan 2012 #43

To really understand the intent of the law, look who voted for it and passed it! L. Coyote Jan 2012 #52

Your little brother should consider the comparison is not to Germany teaching Aryan studies EFerrari Jan 2012 #60

Hebrew school is also an apt comparison. boppers Jan 2012 #74

There is no question that MAS is taught in the context of dominant white culture. EFerrari Jan 2012 #77

"learning that your ancestors were raped and murdered by waves of European ... L. Coyote Jan 2012 #19

I'm really not joking, sadly. boppers Jan 2012 #41

Lots of Divide and Conquer here CatholicEdHead Jan 2012 #64

Those guidelines make it unlawful to teach the Declaration of Independence. EFerrari Jan 2012 #67

I've spent ALOT of time in Arizona and I'm not suprised at all. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #5

Fascist freaks don't want any material on race, ethnicity or oppression. EFerrari Jan 2012 #6

Have they banned "To Kill a Mockingbird" yet? tclambert Jan 2012 #12

Those both usually get banned by idiot parents complaining anyway, so it might be redundant. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #35

Here's the complete reading list for all the MAS courses. Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #13

this is outrageous. barbtries Jan 2012 #14

These people have become cartoons of racists at this point. EFerrari Jan 2012 #26

and apparently barbtries Jan 2012 #31

I believe closer to 60. EFerrari Jan 2012 #33

29.6%, officially. boppers Jan 2012 #72

That's right. I don't know where I got EFerrari Jan 2012 #78

Instead, can't we all agree that we hate Nathaniel Hawthorne and pull his crap? sofa king Jan 2012 #15

You Have A Second For Canning 'The Scarlet Letter' Sir The Magistrate Jan 2012 #17

You know, I missed the book for the very same reason as you lunatica Jan 2012 #18

The movie had nothing to do with the book. Critters2 Jan 2012 #48

That happened to me with Romeo and Juliet. I still hate that play EFerrari Jan 2012 #23

Your English teacher didn't explain all the dirty jokes, did she? knitter4democracy Jan 2012 #28

Shakespeare has always been censored in some way, beginning EFerrari Jan 2012 #29

Sadly, all that's true. knitter4democracy Jan 2012 #59

The only thing the preachers hated more than boys in drag on the stage was the idea EFerrari Jan 2012 #66

That censoring is part of what made him so damn good. boppers Jan 2012 #73

The problem with your theory is, so did everyone writing in London EFerrari Jan 2012 #76

But that's his good piece! knitter4democracy Jan 2012 #27

Doesn't he refer to Indians in several passages? EFerrari Jan 2012 #30

Yes he does, and you might want to re-read it. knitter4democracy Jan 2012 #58

I've never taught this one, either. EFerrari Jan 2012 #65

Yup, it eliminates everyone. knitter4democracy Jan 2012 #68

What these people wanted to do was eliminate Mexican American studies. EFerrari Jan 2012 #69

Does required reading The Wizard Jan 2012 #16

Not yet but probably will 47of74 Jan 2012 #20

The district motto on Twitter: "We're transforming education" EFerrari Jan 2012 #24

Did the school district give any reason for banning the Tempest? Mass Jan 2012 #21

One of the sources for The Tempest is an account EFerrari Jan 2012 #25

So they ban it because of one way that it **MIGHT** be interpreted? baldguy Jan 2012 #85

The Superintendent spearing-heading this oppression was on Amy's show today. EFerrari Jan 2012 #86

They're accomplishing what they set out to do. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #22

or gejohnston Jan 2012 #50

Rebel flags shaped like Florida??? Wait Wut Jan 2012 #51

Thanks for the Link Shakespeareana Jan 2012 #90

Is that your site? Wait Wut Jan 2012 #91

We read part of the King James Bible in English AP in public school TheCruces Jan 2012 #93

That would be acceptable, as well, but... Wait Wut Jan 2012 #94

Actually, it's pretty standard in AP, due to Biblical allusions in a lot of other works TheCruces Jan 2012 #95

You just reminded me... Wait Wut Jan 2012 #96

K&R Solly Mack Jan 2012 #34

It's a great list of books mainer Jan 2012 #36

the state ORDERED the elimination of MAS? on what grounds? niyad Jan 2012 #37

The Tempest? WTH? mistertrickster Jan 2012 #38

The Tempest is frequently associated with postcolonial theory fishwax Jan 2012 #70

Agreed. But I'm surprised that any school board would know that, heh. nt mistertrickster Jan 2012 #80

From these idiots point of wiew Mz Pip Jan 2012 #39

Not even the white point of view... the view of those that "won" Smilo Jan 2012 #40

I suspect you are right Mz Pip Jan 2012 #42

The law forbids teaching resentment of *class*. boppers Jan 2012 #44

the kids can see the difference between the haves and have nots, books or no books wordpix Jan 2012 #57

They are trying to slow down the inevitable by blocking the education of Latino kids. EFerrari Jan 2012 #45

Also, sulphurdunn Jan 2012 #46

This is aimed at the captive audience, not at the people with means EFerrari Jan 2012 #63

They are making sure there is no liberalism in education, PERIOD! L. Coyote Jan 2012 #53

Okay then atreides1 Jan 2012 #47

I assume Othello is out, too. Critters2 Jan 2012 #49

Othello, Titus, MacBeth, Henry 5, Antony & Cleopatra, Merchant of Venice, all the good comedies EFerrari Jan 2012 #62

So Dickens and Steinbeck are out I take it. MattBaggins Jan 2012 #99

Yep. Also Fiitzgerald, Willa Cather and Hermann Melville. EFerrari Jan 2012 #100

Two books all Americans should read are on that list: LuckyLib Jan 2012 #54

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2012 #55

pathetic. revolting. outrageous. fishwax Jan 2012 #71

The kids should mount a marathon Tempest EFerrari Jan 2012 #75

This is not eduction. It's re-eduction like North Korea does in the 'camps' lunatica Jan 2012 #79

Conflating two categories of topics/books. Igel Jan 2012 #82

Untrue stevekatz Jan 2012 #83

But the MAS teachers cannot use them to teach. EFerrari Jan 2012 #87

TUSD denies banning books associated with Mexican American Studies Newsjock Jan 2012 #84

Right. They didn't ban the books. They just shut down the classes and forbade their use. EFerrari Jan 2012 #88

Pol Pot would be so proud of Tucson... BeHereNow Jan 2012 #89

Like George Carlin said in one of his great routines, Guy Montag Jan 2012 #92

TUSD response: Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #97

Personally, christx30 Jan 2012 #98