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39. U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics - The Employment Situation - September 2012
Fri Oct 5, 2012, 12:03 PM
Oct 2012

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- SEPTEMBER 2012


The unemployment rate decreased to 7.8 percent in September, and total nonfarm
payroll employment rose by 114,000, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported
today. Employment increased in health care and in transportation and warehousing
but changed little in most other major industries.

Household Survey Data

The unemployment rate declined by 0.3 percentage point to 7.8 percent in September.
For the first 8 months of the year, the rate held within a narrow range of 8.1
and 8.3 percent. The number of unemployed persons, at 12.1 million, decreased by
456,000 in September. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men (7.3 percent),
adult women (7.0 percent), and whites (7.0 percent) declined over the month.
The unemployment rates for teenagers (23.7 percent), blacks (13.4 percent), and
Hispanics (9.9 percent) were little changed. The jobless rate for Asians, at
4.8 percent (not seasonally adjusted), fell over the year. (See tables A-1, A-2,
and A-3.)
....

The number of persons unemployed for less than 5 weeks declined by 302,000 over
the month to 2.5 million. The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for
27 weeks or more) was little changed at 4.8 million and accounted for 40.1
percent of the unemployed. (See table A-12.)

Read more: Link: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

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Good morning, Freepers and DUers alike. I especially welcome viewers from across the aisle. You're paying for this information too, so you ought to see this as much as anyone. Please, everyone, put aside your differences long enough to digest the information. After that, you can engage in your usual donnybrook.

What is important about these statistics is not so much this month’s number, but the trend. So let’s look at some earlier numbers. We’ll start with the ADP estimate.

ADP, for employment in September:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014254238
U.S. Private-Sector Employment Increased by 162,000 Jobs in September, According to ADP

U.S. Private-Sector Employment Increased by 162,000 Jobs in September, According to ADP National Employment Report

Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 162,000 from August to September, on a seasonally adjusted basis. The estimated gains in previous months were revised lower: The July increase was reduced by 17,000 to an increase of 156,000, while the August increase was reduced by 12,000 to an increase of 189,000.

Employment in the private, service-providing sector expanded 144,000 in September, down from 175,000 in August. Employment in the private, good-producing sector added 18,000 jobs in the September. Manufacturing employment rose 4,000, while construction employment rose 10,000, the strongest since March when mild winter weather was boosting construction activity. The financial services sector added 7,000 jobs in September, marking the fourteenth consecutive monthly gain.


BLS, for employment in August:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014221739
August payroll employment rises (+96,000); unemployment rate edges down (8.1%)

An increase of 96,000 is really lackluster. It's not just lackluster, but, as the first response says, "disappointing." It's half the ADP estimate. Here is a quote from yesterday's ADP news release:

August 2012 Report

Employment in the U.S. nonfarm private business sector increased by 201,000 from July to August, on a seasonally adjusted basis. The estimated gain from June to July was revised up from the initial estimate of 163,000 to 173,000. Employment in the private, service-providing sector expanded 185,000 in August, up from 156,000 in July. Employment in the private, goods-producing sector added 16,000 jobs in August. Manufacturing employment rose 3,000, following an increase of 6,000 in July.


ADP, for employment in August:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014220380
The ADP National Employment Report August 2012

BLS, for employment in July:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014184289
July payroll employment rises (+163,000); jobless rate essentially unchanged (8.3%)

ADP, for employment in July. I heard an estimate earlier this morning that the growth in employment would be on the order of 100,000.

The ADP National Employment Report July 2012

BLS, for employment in June:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014160067
Payroll employment continues to edge up in June (+80,000); jobless rate unchanged (8.2%)

Of particular importance for the BLS estimate for June was this article from that day’s Wall Street Journal.

Unemployment Line Longer Than It Looks‎

AHEAD OF THE TAPE
Updated July 5, 2012, 7:26 p.m. ET

By SPENCER JAKAB Here is a statistic for the politically inclined: No incumbent president has won re-election with an unemployment rate above 7.2% since the Great Depression.

Economists expect Friday's release of June employment data will show 95,000 new jobs added. Meantime, the unemployment rate is seen unchanged at 8.2%. That may be bittersweet or just plain bitter depending on one's political slant, but it is difficult to reconcile today's rate with past periods.

The headline unemployment rate has been flattered by the number of people no longer counted in the denominator used to calculate it. For example, a comparison of jobs data between the start and end of 2011 shows the ranks of the unemployed fell by 822,000 while the number of people not in the labor force grew by a larger 1.24 million. The unemployment rate fell by 0.6 percentage points over that time to 8.5%.

In fact, the participation rate—the share of the working-age population either working or looking for work—has fallen by 2.3 percentage points over the four years through May to 63.8%, a three-decade low. Nearly 88 million people—about seven times the ranks of the officially unemployed—aren't part of the headline rate's calculation.


Hmmm. Give that some thought. Also, when May'’s figures were released, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation was on Tom Hartmann that Friday night. He kept referring to the "U-6 Number." That can be found in Table A15. It is "Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force." It appears in two forms, seasonally adjusted and non-seasonally adjusted. Either way, it is the least optimistic of all the estimates.

Thanks to DUer alp227, you can watch Judson Phillips’s appearance on Tom Hartmannn here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014184289#post12

ADP, for employment in June:

ADP jobs up 176,000 (for June)

BLS, for employment in May:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014133487
May payroll employment changes little (+69,000); jobless rate essentially unchanged (8.2%)

ADP, for employment in May:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014132307
May change in employment +133,000

BLS, for employment in April:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014113023
Payroll employment rises 115,000 in April; unemployment rate changes little (8.1%)

ADP and Gallup, for employment in April:

There were four related threads about the April jobs estimate at DU already. Three are in General Discussion, and they are based on the figures from ADP. The fourth, in LBN, paints a contrasting picture. It relies on the figures from Gallup.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002635553
Per CNBC - ADP Numbers bad, posted by Laura PourMeADrink

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002635507
BAD: ADP JOBS REPORT MISSES EXPECTATIONS BY A MILE, posted by xchrom

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002635837
ADP & TrimTabs Showing Much Weaker Payrolls Ahead of Unemployment Report, posted by marmar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014111465
U.S. Job Creation Nears Four-Year High, posted by brooklynite

There's a joke about economists in there somewhere.

March, BLS:

Payroll employment rises 120,000 in March; unemployment rate changes little (8.2%)
March, ADP:

Businesses Adding 209,000 New Jobs Last Month Fail To Ignite Market Rally

February, ADP:

ADP Estimates U.S. Companies Added 216,000 Jobs in February, posted by Gruntled Old Man

One more thing:

So how many jobs must be created every month to have an effect on the unemployment rate? There's an app for that.

http://www.frbatlanta.org/chcs/calculator/index.cfm
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta Jobs Calculator™

Well, enough of that. On with the show.

Monthly Employment Reports

The large print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.

A DU'er pointed out several months ago that, if I'm going to post the link to the press release, I should include the link to all the tables that provide additional ways of examining the data. Specifically, I should post a link to "Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization." Table A-15 includes those who are not considered unemployed, on the grounds that they have become discouraged about the prospects of finding a job and have given up looking. Here are those links.

Employment Situation

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

From the February 10, 2011, "DOL Newsletter":

Take Three

Secretary Solis answers three questions about how the Bureau of Labor Statistics calculates unemployment rates.

How does BLS determine the unemployment rate and the number of jobs that were added each month?

BLS uses two different surveys to get these numbers. The "household survey," or Current Population Survey (CPS), involves asking people, from about 60,000 households, a series of questions to assess each person in the household's activities including work and searching for work. Their responses give us the unemployment rate. The "establishment survey," or Current Employment Statistics (CES), surveys 140,000 employers about how many people they have on their payrolls. These results determine the number of jobs being added or lost.

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And per m$nbc, this is a bad thing. nt babylonsister Oct 2012 #1
Yep. No surprise there. Joe spinning hard to dump on the 7.8%. flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #2
Joe spinning hard on everything! Kinda pathetic. nt babylonsister Oct 2012 #3
The CNBC guy says it's a very big win for President Obama to say the unemployment rate is 7.8% flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #4
You know, at some point, one has to call the RW on their absolute hate for anything good happening kelliekat44 Oct 2012 #45
Are you kidding me Robbins Oct 2012 #5
And more people were looking for work in September--.1% more, that's 418,000. flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #7
Dr. Krugman kinda predicted as much. A couple of weeks ago or so he wrote a column CTyankee Oct 2012 #6
The fact that the unemployment rate has fallen to 7.8% is what the American people will get flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #9
Of course. Better jobs numbers and lower unemployment rate. CTyankee Oct 2012 #16
Moving Forward. n/t politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #35
Also Inuca Oct 2012 #8
7.8% that's what i'm talking!!!!!! skeewee08 Oct 2012 #10
BIG TIME! Cosmocat Oct 2012 #20
Actually, the GOP promised to create jobs in return for the massive tax cuts.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #28
and allow us to continue Moving Forward ! n/t politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #36
Great Catch, flpoljunkie... littlemissmartypants Oct 2012 #11
Morning Joe's Scarborough now insisting the 7.8% figure has to be wrong! flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #12
Saw that, I gotta go to the gym, wish I could watch the last 10 minutes of him crying!!! winstars Oct 2012 #14
It may be. These numbers are often corrected. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #32
Oh I would LOVE to see Joe Scarborough's face! However, I'm avoiding the shows until they stop helpisontheway Oct 2012 #13
I caught it while running errands. politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #37
Exactly winstar! No questions asked when they numbers were bad! nt helpisontheway Oct 2012 #15
Poor Joe! He had his sugar high yesterday, only to have these numbers dash all his CTyankee Oct 2012 #17
How sweet it is! goclark Oct 2012 #41
Game over for Romney. jsr Oct 2012 #18
TPM adds July jobs report revised up from 141,000 to 181,000 and August from 96,000 to 142,000. flpoljunkie Oct 2012 #19
Another point on the economy...... llmart Oct 2012 #21
Plus Numbers = No pResident Rmoney nt onehandle Oct 2012 #22
Are these numbers subject to revision demwing Oct 2012 #23
Yes, two revisions mathematic Oct 2012 #26
That's ACTUALLY 200,000 jobs when ALL increases are aggregated. TahitiNut Oct 2012 #24
The least we could do... Light63 Oct 2012 #25
And one other thing to remember about the labor participation rate: bhikkhu Oct 2012 #27
That is very welcome news lillypaddle Oct 2012 #29
The ex CEO of GE said Obama made those numbers up magic59 Oct 2012 #30
Jack Welch is a d-bag. geardaddy Oct 2012 #34
This great news! The traitorous repubs are hating this right now. Third Doctor Oct 2012 #31
They hate the fact, we are Moving Forward ! n/t politicaljack78 Oct 2012 #38
Isn't this great Cave people? Kingofalldems Oct 2012 #33
U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics - The Employment Situation - September 2012 mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2012 #39
Former GE CEO Welch Says White House Manipulates Jobs Data mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2012 #40
Average number of jobs created per month during Bush Administration ThoughtCriminal Oct 2012 #42
and many months with huge negative numbers. Liberal_in_LA Oct 2012 #46
Kind of off topic animalcrackers Oct 2012 #43
What kind of jobs though? davidn3600 Oct 2012 #44
Legit Question Norbert Oct 2012 #47
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