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PETRUS

(3,678 posts)
32. Well, I have no reason to argue with any of that.
Tue Sep 8, 2020, 03:22 PM
Sep 2020

I think you're basically right. A few more thoughts:

It's true that the kind of sexism and sidelining of women that you're describing was a problem among lefty activists in the '60s. I don't mean this as a defense, but it's my impression that it wasn't any worse that what it was like in other areas of life at the time (schools, churches, workplaces, etc.). It's particularly infuriating in this context (and smacks of hypocrisy), because we're talking about people who claimed to be standing up for the oppressed and marginalized. I think there's been progress on this front, particularly among left-leaning activist types. Still, it's a legitimate complaint.

The other day. I was reading the comments section on a blog, and someone posted "We are also told that government is ‘not a solution, but a problem’. Well, government is neutral, like a hammer, it is a tool to achieve a political end." That's not too far from my point of view. In other words, I don't categorically reject "government" the way (some? all?) committed anarchists do. On the other hand, I'm not at all hostile to an anarchist point of view. Some of the people who claim to be on board with anarchism are infiltrators/saboteurs (needless to say, they are not my friends), and others are angry people without anything I'd call a coherent political philosophy. But the people who are sincere and have thought deeply about anarchism tend to be on the correct side of pretty much all political struggles, in my opinion. There's a Yale professor named James Scott whose thinking I appreciate. I've read three of his books, one of which is entitled "Two Cheers for Anarchism." There's a handy quote on his wiki page: "Lacking a comprehensive anarchist worldview and philosophy, and in any case wary of nomothetic ways of seeing, I am making a case for a sort of anarchist squint. What I aim to show is that if you put on anarchist glasses and look at the history of popular movements, revolutions, ordinary politics, and the state from that angle, certain insights will appear that are obscured from almost any other angle. It will also become apparent that anarchist principles are active in the aspirations and political action of people who have never heard of anarchism or anarchist philosophy." I agree with him on that. I also think that the human impulse (and capacity) to pull together for the common good is pretty strong. There's a book by Rebecca Solnit called "A Paradise Built in Hell." Her book describes groups of people who worked together to get things done following some kind of disaster, and she makes a point of examining cases where the goverment was (at least temporarily) effectively absent.

Anyway, thanks again for the polite conversation.



An unfathomable loss mdelaguna Sep 2020 #1
An incredible polymath. This is the type of person the world needs more of. erronis Sep 2020 #2
Indeed CatLady78 Sep 2020 #5
.nt CatLady78 Sep 2020 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author mahina Sep 2020 #4
Very sad news. klook Sep 2020 #6
I quibbled slightly with "Bullshit Jobs" because I find duct tapers absolutely vital Warpy Sep 2020 #7
"I'd replace them with Cheerleaders: motivational speakers" BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #10
I remember a party in the mid 70s Warpy Sep 2020 #12
Weird Al Yankovic summed it up nicely BumRushDaShow Sep 2020 #13
Excellent! burrowowl Sep 2020 #15
+1 Gonna watch this again, didn't know Al was attuned so well. appalachiablue Sep 2020 #17
Don't forget PR for say Facebook, Exxon etc. CatLady78 Sep 2020 #18
I kind of lumped PR flacks in with admen Warpy Sep 2020 #20
I think we should pay people to experiment with lifestyles having a small environmental footprint. hunter Sep 2020 #22
Valid points but consider the UBI would keep things small scale Warpy Sep 2020 #23
Graeber's work is brilliant and life-changing for so many of us greenjar_01 Sep 2020 #8
His "Fragments of an Anarchist Anthropology" looks like it is Stargleamer Sep 2020 #9
My son introduced me to Graeber's work. kag Sep 2020 #11
Sorry, I want to learn more about him & his work. appalachiablue Sep 2020 #14
I had a lot of respect for his intellect and his point of view. PETRUS Sep 2020 #16
Graeber looked familiar when I read the news, and appalachiablue Sep 2020 #29
Easy, free introduction... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #26
I just came across this video of him JonLP24 Sep 2020 #19
I read a little of his writing about anarchism and NO. betsuni Sep 2020 #21
+100 nt reACTIONary Sep 2020 #25
Hey PETRUS Sep 2020 #27
Graeber: "Anarchism is democracy without the government." betsuni Sep 2020 #28
Thanks for the reply. PETRUS Sep 2020 #30
The video is Larry David's George character in "Seinfeld" constantly berating people for not betsuni Sep 2020 #31
Well, I have no reason to argue with any of that. PETRUS Sep 2020 #32
Y A A... reACTIONary Sep 2020 #24
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