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davidthegnome

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90. I don't hate cops

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 01:16 PM

Oct 2012

I generally frown upon stupid cops though. I'm not yet asserting that this cop is, or was stupid... but I will suggest that there are several reasons to question his professionalism, intellect and ability - perhaps those questions will be answered with further information. Perhaps the Officer in question reacted to the situation in the only way he safely could. I don't know. What I do know is that a naked, unarmed college kid... should not constitute a grave threat to a trained, armed police officer.

There are reasons that police officers (generally) have access to several tools. Handcuffs, pepper spray, night sticks, tasers - and finally fire arms. In this case, I feel that the gun should have been the last tool to be used - only when and if it became unavoidable.

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University of Alabama police officer kills naked student [View all] Judi Lynn Oct 2012 OP

University of South Alabama officer shoots 18-year-old Wetumpka graduate Gilbert Collar to death Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #1

"Collar fell to the ground, but managed to get up and continue to challenge dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #16

yes, my first thought. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #24

Sorry to hear about that happening to your daughter. Bath salts sound like instant insanity. freshwest Oct 2012 #91

Many kids take it believing it's (more or less) LSD Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #98

I looked this up a while back when the incident in Florida happened, so pass it on: freshwest Oct 2012 #102

I am very sorry to hear. Hope she is recovering ok. /nt Ash_F Oct 2012 #114

thank you, she's good. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #118

Very odd situation. It happened AT the police station--just outside MADem Oct 2012 #34

Any way you cut it............ SILVER__FOX52 Oct 2012 #67

I don't think your assertion is supported by the facts at hand. MADem Oct 2012 #69

Agree. wtmusic Oct 2012 #74

Indeed, I do agree. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #77

Is it too hard for the cop to shoot his feet, or something non-lethal? Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #99

Attempting to shoot anyone anywhere is a lethal act. Ash_F Oct 2012 #116

thanks very much Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #121

Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #107

Anyway you cut one, it still stinks.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #79

Bein' nekkid ... Ironblood Oct 2012 #33

It's hard to believe the officer couldn't have found a better way to subdue him. Even a taser. Why williesgirl Oct 2012 #2

What the fuck did he threaten with if he was naked? longship Oct 2012 #3

The officer's gun psychopomp Oct 2012 #5

Oh Brother cosmicone Oct 2012 #9

I agree totally. This kid could have been on drugs. dotymed Oct 2012 #54

No rebuttal, eh? Just blow-it-out slur. cool. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #84

Additionally if he gets the gun and shoots exboyfil Oct 2012 #10

How about a shot to the leg? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #21

A shot to the leg is just as dangerous and potentially fatal... Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #28

My point was the use of non-lethal force. We seem to agree. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #30

Too much T.V. Western viewing for you. Cut back.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #82

i asked that question on a BB one time shanti Oct 2012 #88

There are good reasons why it's not acceptable. wtmusic Oct 2012 #94

thanks, that answers my question (above, somewhere in the thread) Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #100

The anti-taser crowd is remarkably absent from this thread wtmusic Oct 2012 #103

I've been shot in the leg Confusious Oct 2012 #106

But you lived. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #119

Yea luckily the shooter was a bad shot Confusious Oct 2012 #122

So you shoot to kill instead? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #134

How to put this? Confusious Oct 2012 #135

Now we're on the same page. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #142

What if he'd shot out a chandelier or rope holding up a well placed bag of sand 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #109

That's why I love DU -- no thought required. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #120

Your notion of going for a leg shot was a joke 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #137

No, you just think you're the smartest person in the room, and went with it. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #141

Well I am the smartest person in this room currently 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #143

Oh come on...it was outdoors. wtmusic Oct 2012 #123

And what if he gets his hands on a nuclear weapon?! JackRiddler Oct 2012 #129

So maybe campus police should'nt bring guns to a dorm Lars77 Oct 2012 #14

Chirp chirp tabasco Oct 2012 #18

You should wait a bit before declaring "crickets." MADem Oct 2012 #42

No. tabasco Oct 2012 #113

Fine, don't. Double down, too--it reflects on you. nt MADem Oct 2012 #124

Yes snooper2 Oct 2012 #138

At least cops with incredibly poor judgment. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #22

This murder needs to goto Jail...... rawtribe Oct 2012 #83

They weren't AT the dorm. The kid went TO the POLICE STATION, naked, and created a disturbance. nt MADem Oct 2012 #41

I bet somebody dropped him off there. sammytko Oct 2012 #45

Do you think this was a "college prank" gone horribly wrong? nt MADem Oct 2012 #46

but probably still on-campus Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #101

Yes. The campus is massive. Huge student body, bigger than some towns. MADem Oct 2012 #125

Maybe campus police shouldn't carry guns at all! Proletariatprincess Oct 2012 #52

That's a pretty huge campus, I think they have a large student body. MADem Oct 2012 #65

You are right, of course. Proletariatprincess Oct 2012 #111

The record on tazers (heart attacks, deaths) hasn't really been touted. MADem Oct 2012 #126

He was outside the police station-- tblue37 Oct 2012 #56

Should he, a chance, could be Occulus Oct 2012 #63

What about his teeth? marshall Oct 2012 #97

Fun Fact... The Florida face eater was found to have only marijuana in his system Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #136

His wrestler's physique. What do we know of the cop's size? TheMadMonk Oct 2012 #131

Campus officer kills naked freshman at University of South Alabama Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #4

Broken hearts. freshwest Oct 2012 #93

Moment of silence. truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #6

Piss poor outcome, if a cop can't deal with a naked unarmed teenager without killing him Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #7

Could it be those "bath salts" type of drugs? I was reading about them the other day and the first Hestia Oct 2012 #8

I don't know, but I say good call. Thanks for the reminder. I only became aware of such things silvershadow Oct 2012 #13

Why the fuck do people even want to try those drugs? Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #29

Because 7-11 piss tests, so you can't smoke weed and have a part-time job. bluedigger Oct 2012 #147

Or "Suicide by cop?" Someone determined to die, but they want the police to do it? MADem Oct 2012 #35

Campus cops with guns.... GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #11

Hey! If those protesters had disarmed that cop of his pepper spray, god knows! Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #23

I keep looking for stuff after I found it. GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #12

Yeah, no kidding. crim son Oct 2012 #15

No kidding! This kid's state was 100% the result of the cop's presence. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #25

What kind of non-lethal force should the police have used, do you think? MADem Oct 2012 #47

So the kid initially went to them -- an entire building filled with cops? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #55

I don't think it is at all productive to take any "side." MADem Oct 2012 #59

maybe the kid was looking for help so went to the police station wordpix Oct 2012 #144

It was final only because he shot him caraher Oct 2012 #32

If police started carrying tranquilizer guns, people would have a shitfit. MADem Oct 2012 #44

VERY misleading headline. Please edit. trof Oct 2012 #17

Well, some connection--aren't they all part of the state school system? MADem Oct 2012 #48

No, The University of Alabama System does not include U. of South Alabama Ursus Rex Oct 2012 #57

USA looks rather "up and coming," as institutions go. MADem Oct 2012 #61

U. of A. has branches in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Huntsville. trof Oct 2012 #133

So the cop; greiner3 Oct 2012 #19

Low-esteem cowards are attracted to law enforcement tabasco Oct 2012 #20

Any witnesses? Or is this all, "he said, he dead?" nt 1monster Oct 2012 #26

If there were cameras anywhere, I'd say cameras right outside the police station are as MADem Oct 2012 #37

He weighed 135 pounds jsr Oct 2012 #27

Nice one, Darwin Devil_Buddy Oct 2012 #31

Bath Salts? A shot of Adrenaline? A psychotic break? davidthegnome Oct 2012 #36

And the kid went TO the police station and caused the naked ruckus. MADem Oct 2012 #39

Since police officers are there to protect the public, they don't have the luxury LisaL Oct 2012 #80

?? heaven05 Oct 2012 #38

Play Stupid Games slackmaster Oct 2012 #40

He killed him so he wouldn't hurt himself? Whatever happened to shooting limbs first? nt valerief Oct 2012 #43

"Shooting limbs first" is not, nor has it ever been, a police protocol. It's always been shoot to MADem Oct 2012 #49

You're right. If you have cause to pull out your handgun, you shoot to body mass. There is also a byeya Oct 2012 #51

The subject was NOT in his room He was outside the police station. tblue37 Oct 2012 #60

Thanks for bringing all these details to our(my) attention. The officer should have been provided byeya Oct 2012 #73

I'm betting that cop wishes he or she could have confined the kid to his room. MADem Oct 2012 #62

Defensive shooting is shooting into the center of the body mass. davsand Oct 2012 #53

Most cops aren't a good enough shot to shoot a gun out of someone's hand. MADem Oct 2012 #71

Last year one of the state universities - Michigan I think - had college students who had never byeya Oct 2012 #87

Wow. Now I understand why car chases end in tragedy far too often. valerief Oct 2012 #58

Not sure where you found that particular nugget from this sad tale. nt MADem Oct 2012 #75

There has been a decades-long controversey about engaging in high speed chases and byeya Oct 2012 #76

No. Training has always been to shoot to STOP. The most reliable way of doing that is to aim... slackmaster Oct 2012 #70

Reminds me of something davidthegnome Oct 2012 #50

Every single time someone suggests a limb-shot 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #108

This isn't the movies. nt. naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #127

Well, I found out why the cop didn't just go inside the station and lock the door. tblue37 Oct 2012 #64

Well... hmm... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #66

Wasn't the banging happening on the SIDE of the building? MADem Oct 2012 #68

He should have gone inside the station, locked the door, and hid behind a desk wtmusic Oct 2012 #96

If an aggressive/erratic person charges a police officer with his gun drawn and had already aikoaiko Oct 2012 #72

Well... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #78

There is a lack of connection... wundermaus Oct 2012 #81

There are people with guns who WANT to kill someone. nt patrice Oct 2012 #85

Yep,like the cop wannabe who gunned down Trayvon Martin. I think he ws looking for an opportunity. n tblue37 Oct 2012 #104

We hear about these pretty frequently and the answer is ALWAYS, TTE, "There was no choice" or patrice Oct 2012 #105

Yay, Cops! Iggo Oct 2012 #86

Many in this thread aren't going to wait for further investigation... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #89

I don't hate cops davidthegnome Oct 2012 #90

I'm willing to let the investigation proceed. I see your points. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #115

Unarmed and naked teen vs the guy with a night stick tazer pepper spray and gun. Not rocket science Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #92

This may eventually come back onto the police, but I'll wait to see... Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #112

Or we should look at the way other countries with far better outcomes conduct their justic systems. Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #117

If proper intervention had occurred earlier, perhaps. But given our system, he should not have been Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #128

Next headline to cover up .... MindMover Oct 2012 #95

Hmm... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #139

If you take stuff lalalu Oct 2012 #110

Baffling JonLP24 Oct 2012 #130

Good point davidthegnome Oct 2012 #132

He was on LSD. LisaL Oct 2012 #146

Thanks JonLP24 Oct 2012 #148

LATEST on this matter: There's VIDEO, apparently. MADem Oct 2012 #140

Student was on LSD. LisaL Oct 2012 #145

hmmmm AngryAmish Oct 2012 #149