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126. The record on tazers (heart attacks, deaths) hasn't really been touted.

Reply to Proletariatprincess (Reply #111)

Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:02 PM

Oct 2012

They are just viewed as "nonlethal" but they are often used as "compliance tools." The police like them because they will encourage compliance, and they reduce the risk of the police injuring themselves trying to subdue a subject. Tazers obviate the need for rank-n-file police to be terribly fit or have to get down in the weeds, which is why the unions support them. They reduce the number of workman's comp claims for twisted this or sprained that. For this reason, management likes them, too.

I agree that they have great potential for abuse. I like them better than the sound wave things they are experimenting with, that make people go nutso and scramble their brains, but I would really love it if they could come up with a nice net they could shoot at people that would scoop them up, like we see in the cartoons. One day...!

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I looked this up a while back when the incident in Florida happened, so pass it on: freshwest Oct 2012 #102

I am very sorry to hear. Hope she is recovering ok. /nt Ash_F Oct 2012 #114

thank you, she's good. Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #118

Very odd situation. It happened AT the police station--just outside MADem Oct 2012 #34

Any way you cut it............ SILVER__FOX52 Oct 2012 #67

I don't think your assertion is supported by the facts at hand. MADem Oct 2012 #69

Agree. wtmusic Oct 2012 #74

Indeed, I do agree. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #77

Is it too hard for the cop to shoot his feet, or something non-lethal? Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #99

Attempting to shoot anyone anywhere is a lethal act. Ash_F Oct 2012 #116

thanks very much Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #121

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Anyway you cut one, it still stinks.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #79

Bein' nekkid ... Ironblood Oct 2012 #33

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I agree totally. This kid could have been on drugs. dotymed Oct 2012 #54

No rebuttal, eh? Just blow-it-out slur. cool. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #84

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How about a shot to the leg? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #21

A shot to the leg is just as dangerous and potentially fatal... Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #28

My point was the use of non-lethal force. We seem to agree. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #30

Too much T.V. Western viewing for you. Cut back.nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #82

i asked that question on a BB one time shanti Oct 2012 #88

There are good reasons why it's not acceptable. wtmusic Oct 2012 #94

thanks, that answers my question (above, somewhere in the thread) Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #100

The anti-taser crowd is remarkably absent from this thread wtmusic Oct 2012 #103

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But you lived. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #119

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So you shoot to kill instead? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #134

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Now we're on the same page. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #142

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That's why I love DU -- no thought required. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #120

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Oh come on...it was outdoors. wtmusic Oct 2012 #123

And what if he gets his hands on a nuclear weapon?! JackRiddler Oct 2012 #129

So maybe campus police should'nt bring guns to a dorm Lars77 Oct 2012 #14

Chirp chirp tabasco Oct 2012 #18

You should wait a bit before declaring "crickets." MADem Oct 2012 #42

No. tabasco Oct 2012 #113

Fine, don't. Double down, too--it reflects on you. nt MADem Oct 2012 #124

Yes snooper2 Oct 2012 #138

At least cops with incredibly poor judgment. Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #22

This murder needs to goto Jail...... rawtribe Oct 2012 #83

They weren't AT the dorm. The kid went TO the POLICE STATION, naked, and created a disturbance. nt MADem Oct 2012 #41

I bet somebody dropped him off there. sammytko Oct 2012 #45

Do you think this was a "college prank" gone horribly wrong? nt MADem Oct 2012 #46

but probably still on-campus Voice for Peace Oct 2012 #101

Yes. The campus is massive. Huge student body, bigger than some towns. MADem Oct 2012 #125

Maybe campus police shouldn't carry guns at all! Proletariatprincess Oct 2012 #52

That's a pretty huge campus, I think they have a large student body. MADem Oct 2012 #65

You are right, of course. Proletariatprincess Oct 2012 #111

The record on tazers (heart attacks, deaths) hasn't really been touted. MADem Oct 2012 #126

He was outside the police station-- tblue37 Oct 2012 #56

Should he, a chance, could be Occulus Oct 2012 #63

What about his teeth? marshall Oct 2012 #97

Fun Fact... The Florida face eater was found to have only marijuana in his system Lightbulb_on Oct 2012 #136

His wrestler's physique. What do we know of the cop's size? TheMadMonk Oct 2012 #131

Campus officer kills naked freshman at University of South Alabama Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #4

Broken hearts. freshwest Oct 2012 #93

Moment of silence. truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #6

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I don't know, but I say good call. Thanks for the reminder. I only became aware of such things silvershadow Oct 2012 #13

Why the fuck do people even want to try those drugs? Frank Cannon Oct 2012 #29

Because 7-11 piss tests, so you can't smoke weed and have a part-time job. bluedigger Oct 2012 #147

Or "Suicide by cop?" Someone determined to die, but they want the police to do it? MADem Oct 2012 #35

Campus cops with guns.... GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #11

Hey! If those protesters had disarmed that cop of his pepper spray, god knows! Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #23

I keep looking for stuff after I found it. GulleyJimson Oct 2012 #12

Yeah, no kidding. crim son Oct 2012 #15

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What kind of non-lethal force should the police have used, do you think? MADem Oct 2012 #47

So the kid initially went to them -- an entire building filled with cops? Buzz Clik Oct 2012 #55

I don't think it is at all productive to take any "side." MADem Oct 2012 #59

maybe the kid was looking for help so went to the police station wordpix Oct 2012 #144

It was final only because he shot him caraher Oct 2012 #32

If police started carrying tranquilizer guns, people would have a shitfit. MADem Oct 2012 #44

VERY misleading headline. Please edit. trof Oct 2012 #17

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No, The University of Alabama System does not include U. of South Alabama Ursus Rex Oct 2012 #57

USA looks rather "up and coming," as institutions go. MADem Oct 2012 #61

U. of A. has branches in Montgomery, Birmingham, and Huntsville. trof Oct 2012 #133

So the cop; greiner3 Oct 2012 #19

Low-esteem cowards are attracted to law enforcement tabasco Oct 2012 #20

Any witnesses? Or is this all, "he said, he dead?" nt 1monster Oct 2012 #26

If there were cameras anywhere, I'd say cameras right outside the police station are as MADem Oct 2012 #37

He weighed 135 pounds jsr Oct 2012 #27

Nice one, Darwin Devil_Buddy Oct 2012 #31

Bath Salts? A shot of Adrenaline? A psychotic break? davidthegnome Oct 2012 #36

And the kid went TO the police station and caused the naked ruckus. MADem Oct 2012 #39

Since police officers are there to protect the public, they don't have the luxury LisaL Oct 2012 #80

?? heaven05 Oct 2012 #38

Play Stupid Games slackmaster Oct 2012 #40

He killed him so he wouldn't hurt himself? Whatever happened to shooting limbs first? nt valerief Oct 2012 #43

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You're right. If you have cause to pull out your handgun, you shoot to body mass. There is also a byeya Oct 2012 #51

The subject was NOT in his room He was outside the police station. tblue37 Oct 2012 #60

Thanks for bringing all these details to our(my) attention. The officer should have been provided byeya Oct 2012 #73

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Not sure where you found that particular nugget from this sad tale. nt MADem Oct 2012 #75

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This isn't the movies. nt. naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #127

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Yay, Cops! Iggo Oct 2012 #86

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I don't hate cops davidthegnome Oct 2012 #90

I'm willing to let the investigation proceed. I see your points. nt Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #115

Unarmed and naked teen vs the guy with a night stick tazer pepper spray and gun. Not rocket science Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #92

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Or we should look at the way other countries with far better outcomes conduct their justic systems. Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #117

If proper intervention had occurred earlier, perhaps. But given our system, he should not have been Eleanors38 Oct 2012 #128

Next headline to cover up .... MindMover Oct 2012 #95

Hmm... davidthegnome Oct 2012 #139

If you take stuff lalalu Oct 2012 #110

Baffling JonLP24 Oct 2012 #130

Good point davidthegnome Oct 2012 #132

He was on LSD. LisaL Oct 2012 #146

Thanks JonLP24 Oct 2012 #148

LATEST on this matter: There's VIDEO, apparently. MADem Oct 2012 #140

Student was on LSD. LisaL Oct 2012 #145

hmmmm AngryAmish Oct 2012 #149