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muriel_volestrangler

(106,559 posts)
28. I hope the guy is talking out of his arse, but it may be worth parsing his words
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 11:24 AM
Oct 2012

Here's his FP blog: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/10/08/wanted_a_truly_credible_military_threat_to_iran

What he says is:

Despite the public histrionics in the run-up to the U.N. General Assembly meetings, both White House and Israeli officials assert that the two sides behind the scenes have come closer together in their views in recent days. While there may not be exact agreement on what constitutes a "red line" -- a sign of Iranian progress toward the development of nuclear weapons that would trigger military action -- the military option being advocated by the Israelis is considerably more limited and lower risk than some of those that have been publicly debated.

Indeed, according to a source close to the discussions, the action that participants currently see as most likely is a joint U.S.-Israeli surgical strike targeting Iranian enrichment facilities. The strike might take only "a couple of hours" in the best case and only would involve a "day or two" overall, the source said, and would be conducted by air, using primarily bombers and drone support. Advocates for this approach argue that not only is it likely to be more politically palatable in the United States but, were it to be successful -- meaning knocking out enrichment facilities, setting the Iranian nuclear program back many years, and doing so without civilian casualties -- it would have regionwide benefits. One advocate asserts it would have a "transformative outcome: saving Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, reanimating the peace process, securing the Gulf, sending an unequivocal message to Russia and China, and assuring American ascendancy in the region for a decade to come."


Now, I don't think that means he is saying the most likely outcome is a joint attack; I think it's saying that, if there is a military strike, then the most likely form it will take is a joint bombing one. And the fuzziness of "a source close to the discussions" may mean it's just some neocon, either in the USA or Israel, indulging in wishful thinking, even if they are involved in talks somehow. The advocate claiming a "transformative outcome" sounds delusional - hopefully they're someone not actually involved in government in any country. Daniel Pipes or John Bolton, perhaps.

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Bomb bomb bomb oswaldactedalone Oct 2012 #1
Iran SamKnause Oct 2012 #18
John isn't the one singing that tune NOW... FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #29
John SamKnause Oct 2012 #30
He's not the one with the choice to make, was my point. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #31
Iran is a sovereign Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #2
Russia and the US have played games over Iran for years. Socal31 Oct 2012 #25
Start a war with Iran in order to "neutralize Republican criticism"? Why not just bomb the RNC? leveymg Oct 2012 #3
I say we just deport the Republicans to a small island and leave them there davidpdx Oct 2012 #23
If they want to drop into Iran so bad, I'll gladly pack their parachutes. leveymg Oct 2012 #24
I voted for bombing RNC dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #45
bullshit...... madrchsod Oct 2012 #4
What may be more to the point dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #5
Good catch! dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #47
Neutralize Republicans GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #6
Agree SamKnause Oct 2012 #17
The war mongers are chomping at the bit to bomb Iran Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #7
"Obama may have to commit to bomb Iran or lose the election." Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #34
US and Israel conspire to commit incredibly stupid war crime - that's the headline needed on point Oct 2012 #8
Well DOh!! It only makes sense that they may be making plans for such a strike cstanleytech Oct 2012 #9
I'm looking forward to $10.00 a gallon gas Coyotl Oct 2012 #10
BUT Wouldn't Iran now know? torotoro Oct 2012 #11
"surgical strike" dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #12
that has to be an opinion piece iamthebandfanman Oct 2012 #13
totally from his ass JackRiddler Oct 2012 #61
Military action for political gain? Great, just what we need. Chef Eric Oct 2012 #14
Strike SamKnause Oct 2012 #15
"likely to only take a few hours " earthside Oct 2012 #16
In 1914 they all said the boys would be home by Christmas. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #19
"Shock and Awe" against Iraq was to be a brief attack. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #48
April is the cruellest month, breeding Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #49
nobody seems to realize Pharaoh Oct 2012 #27
It is not difficult to adopt a speculative financial position Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #35
Blocking the Strait if Hormuz would also do the trick. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2012 #51
And what will become of the presidency defacto7 Oct 2012 #40
*FACEPALM* Odin2005 Oct 2012 #20
No more damn wars! clydefrand Oct 2012 #21
Disgusting and dumb. Overseas Oct 2012 #22
Sounds like Bibi spent a lot of time with Wolfowitz. BlueToTheBone Oct 2012 #26
I hope the guy is talking out of his arse, but it may be worth parsing his words muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #28
I have come to the conclusion that man has decided to eradicate hisself. JRLeft Oct 2012 #32
bullshit...but plays well in the hands of haters/warmongers/and the chicken little crowd Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #33
Please tell me... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #36
(Electoral) 'Business' as usual? Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #37
People should be really pissed.... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #39
People should. Yeah. Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #43
Also see (Haaretz): Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #52
Haaretz has been claiming this every week or so for years. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #46
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #38
No, it's Americans that favor Israel that have far too much influence over our foreign policy cpwm17 Oct 2012 #41
wouldn't it be a pity if the U.S. finds itself in another protracted un-winnable imperialist war in Douglas Carpenter Oct 2012 #42
I call bs. I wouldn't doubt that a scenario for this is in the Pentagon's files.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #44
Dear Israel, a word of warning. kickysnana Oct 2012 #50
I say bullshit. At least not now, and besides there is no still_one Oct 2012 #53
I have a very basic opinion on this matter fingrinn Oct 2012 #54
"The whole Iran situation is bullshit." cpwm17 Oct 2012 #56
"Former Clinton administration official David Rothkopf" cpwm17 Oct 2012 #55
"Let's murder people to placate Republicans" /nt Ash_F Oct 2012 #57
I love the casualness with which we contemplate violating the territory of a sovereign state primavera Oct 2012 #58
"Exceptionalism", I believe that's called, Ghost Dog Oct 2012 #59
Sheer promotion. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #60
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