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JDPriestly

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47. Aside from the corruption in our government, when the market-capitalist side of
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:45 AM
Oct 2012

the state dominates the democratic-government side, business, the market itself becomes corrupt. Companies are corrupt and then corrupt our government. That is very true of the really big companies in our country -- the banks, the oil and gas companies, the health insurance companies and so many others. The companies themselves are corrupt in both their internal and external dealings. The management cheats and tricks both customers and shareholders.

Even in our democratic market-capitalist state, companies don't obey government regulations. They introduce new products without doing the basic safety research that they should do. We get things like Enron, like the BP spill. And we don't even hear about most of the horrors that occur. Companies lie. If you pay attention, you become aware of their corruption. If gun sales are profitable, then they sell more and more guns no matter what the costs in human lives and in social disruption. A buck is a buck, and being rich, rich, rich makes any price worth it for this market-capitalism at its extreme.

I am beginning to think that the natural course of the free market is not to achieve equilibrium and promote creativity (as I had always thought) but to funnel wealth to a few and promote the formation of monopolies and trusts. I suspect that ultimately the increasing concentration of wealth combined with the increasing oppression of the rest of us will lead to some sort of dictatorship or monarchy.

The dominance of the utterly corrupt monopoly/trust result is what we have gotten each time that we have reduced the checks of regulation and government. The most obvious manifestation of the monopoly/trust extreme appears to me to be the boom and bust which generally results in consolidation of wealth and power in the hands of even fewer companies or people than was the case before the boom/bust cycle began.

We saw that in banking in 2008. We had a huge boom in the housing market so it seemed. In reality it was a boom in the financial sector. Yes, houses were built and sold and bought, but the real boom was in the mortgage industry. Banks grew big during the boom period, and during the bust period, corrupt power in the country manipulated the government and the Federal Reserve so as to do away with some of the smaller banks and we ended up closer to a monopoly than we were before the boom and bust.

And now we will start another cycle. Assuredly the boom will take place in what appears to be some sector of the economy other than finance, but in reality, in the end, the wealth and power will become more concentrated in the hands of the same wealthy people who come out on top in each cycle.

Rockefeller was the master manipulator of the process. It took Teddy Roosevelt and the trust-busting laws, in other words, strong government, to bring a little balance into our system at the beginning of the 20th century. Then, of course, we landed right back in a boom that lead to a bust in 1929 and it took FDR and strong laws to hold back the greed in the stock market and banks.

That held for a long time although we had several greedy surges toward monopoly again. OPEC took us for a ride as we attempted to pay off what we owed for the Viet Nam War through reducing the value of the currency with which we had paid for oil. Then came the 1980s and the S&L crisis, then the dot-com boom of the 1990s followed by ever laxer laws governing the financial sector culminating in the bust in 2008.

Today the small group of the very rich are richer than ever. The lucky among us do well to "own" or owe on a small city lot with a tiny house on it. We now call having the right to pay taxes forever on that small city lot the American dream.

Our system still supports a limited amount of creativity. But the greed and corruption usually crush it before it benefits the majority of Americans.

For many young Americans the entire American dream boils down to having an I-Phone with unlimited texting. Wow! How far we have fallen thanks to the failure of our democratic institutions to master our market-capitalism. I am very disappointed in market-capitalism. It has run amok and has far too many apologists paid to root for it.

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Is that good or bad? n/t DemzRock Oct 2012 #1
It sucks(if it's true)but some people here will be getting ugly in gloating about it. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #3
It depends.. naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #4
My impression is that insisting you've got the election won before the polls close Ken Burch Oct 2012 #10
of course naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #13
I haven't seen any 'gloating' by Chavez supporters in the LA forum. polly7 Oct 2012 #23
I wasn't saying it was Chavez supporters doing the gloating Ken Burch Oct 2012 #28
according to my Venezuelan friends who fled for the lives after son & his friends were kidnapped wordpix Oct 2012 #12
Chavez is not a good man... Yes, it's GOOD news, if he loses... liberallibral Oct 2012 #21
These people like him. polly7 Oct 2012 #24
Capriles' supporters have been out in at least these numbers, some estimates are a million wordpix Oct 2012 #32
Looks about the size of the crowds that cheered for General Mao and Adolf Hitler... liberallibral Oct 2012 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Oct 2012 #45
Sometimes, countries vote for something else. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #2
Secretly wants to? naaman fletcher Oct 2012 #5
If you know what he "secretly" wants to do, it's not a secret. 11cents Oct 2012 #7
Giving up on socialism.. rayofreason Oct 2012 #14
I would have agreed with you 11 years ago, but I'm really becoming less certain JDPriestly Oct 2012 #36
"Our politicians are corrupted by big money from big business"...absolutely! rayofreason Oct 2012 #46
Aside from the corruption in our government, when the market-capitalist side of JDPriestly Oct 2012 #47
Chavez is not only a sick man, battling cancer Warpy Oct 2012 #15
Chavez is a bit of an egocentric, and not a good fit in a democracy. JDPriestly Oct 2012 #37
No, he isn't, which is why I wouldn't have been too surprised Warpy Oct 2012 #39
Madrid newspaper. DeSwiss Oct 2012 #6
You make an important observation. These need to be taken with a grain of salt. Exultant Democracy Oct 2012 #17
Capriles has said he wants to use a Brazil model. iandhr Oct 2012 #8
The Brazilian Workers Party(the one that created that model)says they don't SUPPORT Capriles. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #9
Capriles is a tool of the banking cartel. Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #11
And Ex-President of Brazil, Lula, Laughed To Hear Capriles Claim That! Lula Supports Chavez! Justina For Justice Oct 2012 #33
Beautiful. It really figures! Thanks for the info. about his plans to privatize oil. Hideous. Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #40
Releasing "exit polls" while people are STILL voting is a dirty trick Ken Burch Oct 2012 #16
A question. Is it possible......... socialist_n_TN Oct 2012 #18
Jeez. I didn't read it. That's a hot one. Great reporting. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Oct 2012 #19
It's entire north coast is the Caribbean I suppose - where most people live. Lucky Luciano Oct 2012 #30
You'd think Spaniards would KNOW what ocean Venezuela was on Ken Burch Oct 2012 #34
Is "Variance", Varianzas? Ash_F Oct 2012 #20
I'll put my money on Chavez. A fair election in Venezuela is about as likely as one in the US. olddad56 Oct 2012 #22
More likely; they don't have voter ID laws. /nt Ash_F Oct 2012 #31
So you're starting the "It's ONLY a fair election if Capriles wins" meme? Ken Burch Oct 2012 #35
Chavez 54.43 Capriles R 44.47. Per the CNE. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2012 #25
Looks like Chavez won 54.42 to 44.97. joshcryer Oct 2012 #26
First results say it's Chavez. Dawson Leery Oct 2012 #27
Not LBN. Spanish paper got it wrong. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2012 #29
Whatever the first exit polls said, BlueMTexpat Oct 2012 #38
That is until he lost. nt Javaman Oct 2012 #41
I'm not sure why this thread is still up. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Oct 2012 #42
Oligarch's polling company with surprising results. JackRiddler Oct 2012 #43
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