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30. I totally agree

Fri Nov 6, 2020, 09:20 AM

Nov 2020

I believe, and have hinted here or there over the last 4 years, that HRC would be President today if Obama had not push same-sex bathrooms in 2016, in May, June, July. It sent shock waves through households with kids in school. It was tone-deaf and not necessary to election strategy. The issue could have waited until after the election.

We made progress this year when Joe Biden won the SC primary and pushed Bernie to the side burner. Yes, working people don't want to hear about socialism. They do not want to pay for what they perceive to be lazy people, and non-college educated people and elderly folks don't want to pay more taxes to relieve college debt of the most well-educated college grads with the brightest futures.

Waitresses and mechanics don't want to pay so others can get their multiple college degrees. Why is this so difficult to understand?

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Centrist House Democrats lash out at liberal colleagues, blame far-left views for costing the party [View all] brooklynite Nov 2020 OP

"Far Left"? no_hypocrisy Nov 2020 #1

The fux noi$e got to her, it seems. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #18

This thread is not being flagged because it favors moderates. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #83

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #84

I'm not a centrist. mysteryowl Nov 2020 #102

Didn't claim you were, or did I? Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #109

all is well mysteryowl Nov 2020 #112

All is as it should be somewhere Cartaphelius Nov 2020 #124

The left needs to stop ignoring RW radio certainot Nov 2020 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Nov 2020 #121

he who has the most money wins... stillcool Nov 2020 #139

no, it's still the radio. if trump/putin paid $1000 for a one hr infomercial 1200 stations x 15hrs/d certainot Nov 2020 #147

I would destroy all monopoly's stillcool Nov 2020 #148

i agree but it's a lot easier to pass the necessary legislation if the billionaires and corps don't certainot Nov 2020 #149

Our house majority depends on moderates...we lose them and we lose the house. It is a different Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #156

+1 Why don't we have 'labor news anymore? Most unions are appalachiablue Nov 2020 #154

You have to have the DownriverDem Nov 2020 #96

"I have never understood why folks are now progressive." jaxexpat Nov 2020 #133

"We need to not ever use the word 'socialist' or 'socialism' " I'm sure Republicans will follow suit ck4829 Nov 2020 #2

We can use the word "socialist". NotAPuppet Nov 2020 #7

Because the media won't do it. SergeStorms Nov 2020 #22

Exactly! mountain grammy Nov 2020 #50

MJ is a two faced weasel. He thinks it makes him a centrist. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #134

FDR's favorite was 'Economic Royalists' ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #24

Nah. I say Nazis without balls. And I will continue to do so. Missn-Hitch Nov 2020 #60

100% TimeToGo Nov 2020 #65

Socialism as in roads and bridges (infrastructure... it's urgent) Lock him up. Nov 2020 #26

Socialism as, gab13by13 Nov 2020 #39

We need to flip the term "Socialsim" on its head by referring to "Corporate Socialism" world wide wally Nov 2020 #58

Repugs have been successful in labeling socialism/socialist in a bad light KS Toronado Nov 2020 #69

Exactly! Nasruddin Nov 2020 #75

SO MUCH THIS! OldBaldy1701E Nov 2020 #103

Exactly BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #107

They R for Socialism for the already Rich. Lock him up. Nov 2020 #111

Come on, people Nasruddin Nov 2020 #68

Apparently using the word "f*cking"is perfectly acceptable. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #117

Good job, Washington Post Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #3

Which other factual stories would you like them not to report on? brooklynite Nov 2020 #8

Maybe any other story that detracts from the work at hand Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #10

How does is detract from the work at hand? brooklynite Nov 2020 #12

Mea culpa. Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #15

HA! oldsoftie Nov 2020 #105

This is productive... nt EarthFirst Nov 2020 #4

This is exactly what we need right now. NotAPuppet Nov 2020 #5

"Defund the police" really hurt us Freddie Nov 2020 #6

"Defund the Police" is just like "socialism." moose65 Nov 2020 #11

Many Democrats have used that expression. For example: George II Nov 2020 #20

We need to start convincing the public at large that government programs work ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #31

I think if one is objectively looking at things, those politicians embracing the term still_one Nov 2020 #95

Members elected as Democrats who proudly identify as Democratic Socialists lapucelle Nov 2020 #108

Yes. Newest Reality Nov 2020 #14

We understand, but most people don't do subtlety Freddie Nov 2020 #21

Yup. Newest Reality Nov 2020 #23

We need to get better with bumper stickers ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #33

Democrats need to be on offense MacKasey Nov 2020 #9

We have to get together on this. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #13

Totally agree MacKasey Nov 2020 #28

The perfect is the enemy of the good. olegramps Nov 2020 #57

At least now progressives can stop being smeared with the "purity" label. theaocp Nov 2020 #16

Republicans are far better at framing lonely bird Nov 2020 #17

Centrists have been in full control of the Democratic party for decades. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #19

The centrists play 'prevent defense' ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #37

Moderates Won us our Democratic Cha Nov 2020 #52

We need more intra-party compromise. We need unity. Roisin Ni Fiachra Nov 2020 #89

Someone please name radical part of Joe's platform. marble falls Nov 2020 #25

I think you are going to hear crickets for the near future ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #43

Joe Biden is not a radical and has never been one. Progressive dog Nov 2020 #70

Defund the police slogan offers a smart possibility. Zipgun Nov 2020 #27

Streamline the Police!?! BasicallyComplicated Nov 2020 #53

"Unburden the police of non-police work." marble falls Nov 2020 #76

Centrists: Finger pointing is for Trump SmartVoter22 Nov 2020 #29

I totally agree bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #30

Wrong, but makes for good fox news talking points hellno45 Nov 2020 #38

Actually, in reality, bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #46

Progressive ideas didn't cost us House seats, GOP gerrymandering & voter suppression hellno45 Nov 2020 #47

That is YOUR opinion. It is not a fact. Appreciate that others don't agree with you. bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #151

They campaigned against Hillary for decades ArizonaLib Nov 2020 #48

More on Spanberger in particular: mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 #32

Without progressives in the party, the youth turnout would have been much lower Fiendish Thingy Nov 2020 #34

Pelosi knows the importance of being diplomatic... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #42

+1 n/t Hiawatha Pete Nov 2020 #77

As a constituent of one of these centrist Dems, DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #35

I respectfully disagree. Americans run like sheep whenever the word "socialism" is mentioned. shrike3 Nov 2020 #41

they run like sheep when they hear the word 'socialism' because they hear "black and brown people bonniebgood Nov 2020 #63

That's part of it, yes, definitely. Americans obsess over the notion that someone shrike3 Nov 2020 #64

Not sure Nasruddin Nov 2020 #81

I think progressives are overestimating how popular they are at the moment. shrike3 Nov 2020 #97

The way I hear it, all Republicans are socialists. theaocp Nov 2020 #126

Well. That sounds good in theory, but we don't have the built-in media shrike3 Nov 2020 #128

I recommend trying to spread the message. theaocp Nov 2020 #129

If you think you can combatting a whole wall of propaganda is "super easy, shrike3 Nov 2020 #141

Yes, it is. theaocp Nov 2020 #150

People love "socialist" ideas when presented in language and ideas DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #92

Again, I respectfully disagree. shrike3 Nov 2020 #94

Disagree if you like, but DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #145

I lulz'd KG Nov 2020 #36

It's beautiful to be a Democrat. After Donald Trump Democrats Roc2020 Nov 2020 #40

The policies are good, besides being popular - but the word 'Socialist' has to go sandensea Nov 2020 #44

OK, except even moderate dems are painted to be Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #45

back asswards... myohmy2 Nov 2020 #49

Reflect, learn, take action, very good. Point fingers, lash out, waste time, very, very bad. 0nirevets Nov 2020 #51

Pfft! The words aren't the problem. The problem is Republicans, helped by ... WePurrsevere Nov 2020 #54

We don't have that big of a lead now in the house. Every single democrat will be vsrazdem Nov 2020 #55

Whatever fucking idiot that came up with the phrase "Defund the Police" The Mouth Nov 2020 #56

The response Nasruddin Nov 2020 #72

Anyone uttering it should have been shut down, hard The Mouth Nov 2020 #127

Centrist Dems cite red scare as reason for no blow out. intheflow Nov 2020 #61

We just had a huge win and the senate is still very much in play can't we be happy for one minute? Botany Nov 2020 #62

+1 Hiawatha Pete Nov 2020 #80

This piece is designed to stir up shit Botany Nov 2020 #90

Remember Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #66

Bull. hadEnuf Nov 2020 #67

"Maybe some of these "centrists" need to stop kissing GOP ass." I agree. Stop playing nice. nt Hotler Nov 2020 #78

IT was the Centrist Democratic leaders, who sold out the American Workers.... doctorzuma Nov 2020 #71

Ditch "Socialism". Call it FDR Democracy pfitz59 Nov 2020 #73

Yes Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #100

Children seta1950 Nov 2020 #74

Good. That way they can blame God, not the Orange Menace for their loss. Easy way out. Firestorm49 Nov 2020 #79

I think the r's need to accept Marthe48 Nov 2020 #82

Well that didn't take long CanonRay Nov 2020 #85

If we wonder why the country has drifted so far to the right since the 1970's Centrists like jalan48 Nov 2020 #86

Idiots. This is an unusual year and it's not possible to pin down an exact cause for anything: shotten99 Nov 2020 #87

PURE BULLSHIT. ancianita Nov 2020 #88

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Nov 2020 #91

So... jayfish Nov 2020 #93

Centrists are the reason we are desperately grabbing for votes as we try to keep not_the_one Nov 2020 #98

People do not regard social security as socialism. shrike3 Nov 2020 #101

You had me up to "Democrats need to work on our communication skills... " ancianita Nov 2020 #138

It wasn't the fault of the left. It was the red-baiting fear-mongering by the Trump campaign that Nitram Nov 2020 #99

Well, there were a few here who warned about going to extremes. oldsoftie Nov 2020 #104

Is this a real issue or one manufactured by the media? matt819 Nov 2020 #106

We do this every election whether we or lose. Its time to stop, its self destructive. marble falls Nov 2020 #110

Representive Spanberger beat David Brat in a red district in 2018. westerebus Nov 2020 #113

Do you think we could at least wait until after the Inauguration to pick fights with each other yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #114

They're just worried we might bluestateboomer Nov 2020 #115

We need to stop letting the GOP define the language and terms Scalded Nun Nov 2020 #118

Hey. Consider this. TryLogic Nov 2020 #119

Let me just see what happens when I put this gun in my mouth Jakes Progress Nov 2020 #120

I know that the word "socialism" is a boogeyman Dopers_Greed Nov 2020 #122

Bottom line: our messaging is alienating and must improve. slumcamper Nov 2020 #123

But, but. . . then I can't show how superior I am. Jakes Progress Nov 2020 #125

HA! That's great--and you implicitly raise a critical point. slumcamper Nov 2020 #130

Sounds like corporate money influence is driving this argument. diva77 Nov 2020 #131

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #132

Do you have a list of the 6 who lost? Polybius Nov 2020 #136

Democratic House members who lost: PopsMouth Nov 2020 #152

That's not even including Max Rose, who is certain to lose Polybius Nov 2020 #153

I was thrilled when Max Rose won 2 years ago, but realized that he instantly had a target... George II Nov 2020 #159

No, 2010 was the last time Polybius Nov 2020 #160

You're right, sorry. I forgot how the Staten Island district has morphed over the years.... George II Nov 2020 #161

I can't decide...big mouths, small minds stillcool Nov 2020 #135

I have another idea. James48 Nov 2020 #137

I think it's stupid to point fingers but I do think there is a danger that we are overlooking. cstanleytech Nov 2020 #140

These centrist politicians are almost as delusional as Trumpistas. generalbetrayus Nov 2020 #142

Uh, to hell with your feelings. I mean that in the nicest way, of course Warpy Nov 2020 #143

sociallisim,,, AllaN01Bear Nov 2020 #144

But it doesn't....for the millionth time. brooklynite Nov 2020 #146

This is compulsory reading for understanding today's Democratic Party. mahatmakanejeeves Nov 2020 #155

HOW MANY centrist and far left colleagues are we talking about - one or two or three? OR Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #157

I'm not going to take the bait here... MountCleaners Nov 2020 #158

That's bullshit - the GOP paints ALL Democrats as far left TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #162