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BigOleDummy

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Sun Nov 8, 2020, 02:01 PM

Nov 2020

We as a party have drifted farther right with each election it seems to me. I kinda agree with AOC tbh. FDR ran on major ideological changes and he seemed to do ok. The days of centrist politicians are gone. Hell, DDE couldn't be elected TODAY as a Democrat much less the Republican he was. Look at the platforms each party advanced then....

Republican : https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1956

Democrat : https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1956-democratic-party-platform

How far to the right must we as a party go? The right wing crazies have just gotten MORE crazy and rightist while we, to appear more centrist have to move to the right to make up for it? When does it stop? Like it or not if we want to survive as a viable party NEED to take up the mantle of progressiveness. Progressiveness doesn't mean moving to the right to fill the void left by the looney tunes who edge closer each election to outright fascism.

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There she goes again. calguy Nov 2020 #1

And I have no problem with it. marble falls Nov 2020 #2

Ditto GreenPartyVoter Nov 2020 #6

Double Ditto. For example, the Maine Senate race needs a thorough explanation. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #16

I've asked folks I know over there in Maine... paleotn Nov 2020 #62

Incumbents have a 90% election rate angrychair Nov 2020 #72

Indeed. The idea that voters in Kentucky would trade the Senate Majority Leader stopbush Nov 2020 #136

We did it. colorado_ufo Nov 2020 #221

Triple ditto. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #20

Quadruple ditto. ancianita Nov 2020 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author melman Nov 2020 #83

Joe won this election. Not her. It's Joe's choice. Not hers. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #42

Agreed 100% pandr32 Nov 2020 #81

We keep trying to tone it down for dissatisfied GOP, Blue Dogs, and it only seems ... marble falls Nov 2020 #82

Ridiculous. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #88

Sorry you feel that way. I still consider you a close DU friend. marble falls Nov 2020 #91

But we don't do much to advertise the platform dflprincess Nov 2020 #116

What are you saying? NurseJackie Nov 2020 #123

I agree radical noodle Nov 2020 #160

The party has been moving right and losing elections dflprincess Nov 2020 #185

It's the younger voters and minority concerns that won this election. jaxexpat Nov 2020 #145

Her message did not resonate in upstate NY eilen Nov 2020 #223

I'm sure it didn't. Truly conservative people don't like young know-it-alls because they're..... jaxexpat Nov 2020 #225

I did. There are other MAJOR environmental issues than just climate change. rwsanders Nov 2020 #201

Keep in mind that we lost a lot of swing votes because of the fear of 'socialism'. Chemisse Nov 2020 #112

And we just won the presidency. Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #158

Exactly. The constant compromise to the right that started with Reagan. mjvpi Nov 2020 #174

Joe Biden & Kamala Harris Got 75 Million Cha Nov 2020 #216

Amen SayitAintSo Nov 2020 #227

So you take The Guardian's spin that we've been in a "truce"? As if we've been embattled? ancianita Nov 2020 #89

Why? Gary 50 Nov 2020 #95

I Watched The AOC Interview This Morning On CNN DanieRains Nov 2020 #138

"We need to shock the drooling imbecile voters into REALITY." 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #151

Republican Supporting Billionaires Spend A Billion A Year On Think Tanks DanieRains Nov 2020 #155

No they don't but phrasing it as taxes instead of 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #169

1.15 Billion Budget Of 21 Think Tanks 2016 More Now DanieRains Nov 2020 #182

I smell graft and corruption. I believe it. 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #198

So you ask for cohesion but are unwilling to see progressives Alpeduez21 Nov 2020 #104

Totally agree! Rebl2 Nov 2020 #130

She is not making threats or demands tiredtoo Nov 2020 #144

Shouldn't she bide her time as others before her have done! Remember, she supported Bernie Sanders MojoWrkn Nov 2020 #206

Your thoughts are shared by many. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #208

Same here. H2O Man Nov 2020 #53

Me too Bettie Nov 2020 #60

Nobody said that. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #79

I hope she has a lot of against to keep going with! Gore1FL Nov 2020 #78

Maybe the incompetent people were the ones who decided a good slogan was "defund the police" pnwmom Nov 2020 #85

Exactly Lebam in LA Nov 2020 #127

De-militarize the police. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2020 #137

Yes, another better slogan. pnwmom Nov 2020 #179

Bad Idea erpowers Nov 2020 #237

Ditto. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #94

It's not the green new deal and certainly not BLM that's to blame... brush Nov 2020 #110

Maybe we outsmart their pejorative use of the word "socialist," by showing everyone how they ancianita Nov 2020 #210

I get you. We're on the same page as socialism not being the bogeyman... brush Nov 2020 #215

Doing teaches deplorables and Dem moderates better than talking. ancianita Nov 2020 #224

I like that! SayitAintSo Nov 2020 #229

Ditto as well SayitAintSo Nov 2020 #226

she's right but democrats AND progressives like her keep letting 1500 radio stations, the certainot Nov 2020 #71

YES!!!!!! Tumbulu Nov 2020 #132

My problem DownriverDem Nov 2020 #152

Yes, there she goes again telling the truth. totodeinhere Nov 2020 #189

And you know what? I hope she keeps saying it. Javaman Nov 2020 #207

She might want to look at what happened in 2018. TwilightZone Nov 2020 #3

What happened at the top of the ticket? ancianita Nov 2020 #32

Nothing DownriverDem Nov 2020 #175

And he brought Kamala Harris to the forefront WhiteTara Nov 2020 #181

Are you saying you have an issue with our president-elect? sweetloukillbot Nov 2020 #188

That Joe is a unifier is more than okay. ancianita Nov 2020 #212

I recall losing Senate seats in '18. OneCrazyDiamond Nov 2020 #86

That didn't take long. A day or two ago she was bashing Conor Lamb's campaign for his loss.... George II Nov 2020 #4

Yep, I am posting a link if anybody wants to see. LisaL Nov 2020 #9

Let's hope Nancy Pelosi lowers the boom on Ocasio-Cortez. Archae Nov 2020 #15

That's a really smart move, since they need every member they have. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #22

There are times a Speaker does have to call for actual discipline. Archae Nov 2020 #26

Members do not get disciplined for voicing their opinions. We live in a democracy. vsrazdem Nov 2020 #49

She lied about Conor Lamb. Archae Nov 2020 #64

Oh please!!!! llashram Nov 2020 #5

She is responding to an attack, not initiating one. JudyM Nov 2020 #23

if you say so llashram Nov 2020 #27

What attack was she responding to? Did you see her off-base attack on Conor Lamb yesterday.... George II Nov 2020 #31

Even when it's pointed out to Ocasio-Cortez that Lamb won... Archae Nov 2020 #133

That's true. zentrum Nov 2020 #33

+1 jalan48 Nov 2020 #39

Yes, Abigail Sparnsberger started it (sounds childish to say) TheRickles Nov 2020 #55

Yes melman Nov 2020 #63

Grow thicker skin. paleotn Nov 2020 #65

So rather than learn something, she digs in further. Chemisse Nov 2020 #117

Thanks for adding the context. The fact is that politics are different.... George II Nov 2020 #143

Yep. "AOC: 'In any other country, Joe Biden and I would Duppers Nov 2020 #217

exactly, and I think llashram Nov 2020 #228

I don't see that working out. BainsBane Nov 2020 #235

Someone who is in a D +29 district shouldn't be lecturing... nycbos Nov 2020 #7

According to Progressive Punch her progressive score puts her at #169 in the House.... George II Nov 2020 #21

Fascinating. Not what I would have expected. --- It reminds me somewhat of... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #50

I would. The Holier Than Thou crowd My Pet Orangutan Nov 2020 #56

Absolutely Right! Nasruddin Nov 2020 #68

This is because they vote against a lot of progressive bills dansolo Nov 2020 #238

Unfortunately some of those "protest votes" were off-base. The most visible one was a vote.... George II Nov 2020 #239

Yes. A district that easy to win treestar Nov 2020 #213

I do wish we could keep these policy discussions out of the media until after Jan 5th groundloop Nov 2020 #8

I agree with AOC...and I agree with you. Lucky Luciano Nov 2020 #11

according to the audience is, etc, the guardian may be the culprit Clearly fogged in Nov 2020 #19

There the media goes again, and there some of us will go again lapping this shit up tulipsandroses Nov 2020 #10

Democracy is messy... dlk Nov 2020 #12

Interesting EarlG Nov 2020 #13

I just watched that too LittleGirl Nov 2020 #25

I would not consider the Guardian as right-wing: EX500rider Nov 2020 #34

I know it's not EarlG Nov 2020 #51

Look at her Twitter feed BainsBane Nov 2020 #150

Fair enough EarlG Nov 2020 #171

First tweet I read on her feed EarlG Nov 2020 #173

She tweets a lot BainsBane Nov 2020 #183

I'm not a fan of party infighting EarlG Nov 2020 #194

It's not like we're talking about a pool of Democratic money BainsBane Nov 2020 #202

Thank You. LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #154

Ah, thank you! PatrickforO Nov 2020 #177

Agree. Well said. mountain grammy Nov 2020 #193

I put the Guardian in the category of "new media" Steelrolled Nov 2020 #230

Well said. Bernie Sanders was just on MSNBC and he put it well, the progressives are an integral c-rational Nov 2020 #35

It's important to watch for who does that spinning. ancianita Nov 2020 #38

In that NYT interview, she was bashing Conor Lamb's "losing" campaign because he didn't spend.... George II Nov 2020 #52

I too wish Democrats would spend more time taking on Republicans than their fellow Democrats. EarlG Nov 2020 #67

Thank you. nt Susan Calvin Nov 2020 #98

That's what I heard and saw too Bettie Nov 2020 #69

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #76

My opinions, only stated far better than I could ever do. marble falls Nov 2020 #87

Let's not buy into the pot-stirring with some of these out-of-context interviews... hlthe2b Nov 2020 #14

Republicans overperformed this year down ballot because of Trump on the ticket bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #17

I don't think so Nasruddin Nov 2020 #75

Excapt this.... LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #167

It looks like the list was cherry-picked. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2020 #203

That was my clumsy add on LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #205

M4A, or something similar, may be the goal of many Dems JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2020 #222

I generally agree with her quaker bill Nov 2020 #18

So why doesn't AOC move to KY or South Carolina BainsBane Nov 2020 #129

This is unproductive quaker bill Nov 2020 #232

tell that to AOC BainsBane Nov 2020 #233

Can we please just enjoy this major victory PatSeg Nov 2020 #24

Personally, at this time silence is golden. I am a rational progressive. What is reasonable. olegramps Nov 2020 #36

"Rational progressive" PatSeg Nov 2020 #73

Bernie is misreading what America voted for bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #37

Yes, I think you're right PatSeg Nov 2020 #77

BS-AOC et al the squad llashram Nov 2020 #41

"Oh very young, what will you leave us this time?" PatSeg Nov 2020 #80

++this llashram Nov 2020 #92

Getting rid of Trump is a major victory of course. totodeinhere Nov 2020 #191

Yes, we are all aware of that PatSeg Nov 2020 #192

Jesus Christ. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #28

AOC is not the only person saying similar things Docreed2003 Nov 2020 #29

I agree totally. Let us pursue what is possible. That is why Biden won. A reasonable measured path. olegramps Nov 2020 #43

"2010 in 2022" bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #44

Wait until the right rebrands itself: We're going to miss the alt-right, the Tea Party and neo-cons. shotten99 Nov 2020 #164

Knee capping can only happen if we let The Guardian use words like "truce" and presenting AOC ancianita Nov 2020 #46

Too early to rain on our parade? tiredtoo Nov 2020 #40

At times like this, she'd be well-served to ask herself "WWND?" (What would Nancy do?) NurseJackie Nov 2020 #45

LOL - WWND! I love it! n/t Chemisse Nov 2020 #118

The Curse of "More" Roy Rolling Nov 2020 #47

+ 1 nt pazzyanne Nov 2020 #54

I know this, gab13by13 Nov 2020 #48

+100000. THIS ⬆⬆⬆⬆⬆ Duppers Nov 2020 #218

I lulz'd KG Nov 2020 #57

Hey lady, the results have not yet been certified! Maybe its PTSD from Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #58

Speaking of core compentencies, one for elected reps is Kashkakat v.2.0 Nov 2020 #134

AOC, I love you, but.... paleotn Nov 2020 #59

If she is anything like her cohort, she already thinks she knows everything eilen Nov 2020 #231

This is a great interview melman Nov 2020 #61

I did. I stand by my comment above. paleotn Nov 2020 #66

Did you read the full Times interview? melman Nov 2020 #70

Read the Times interview. identify Nov 2020 #101

I said I did. paleotn Nov 2020 #187

No worries we have the Kasich/Flake wing of the party to replace the Progressives. I'm jalan48 Nov 2020 #74

Please stop this nonsense DIVINEprividence Nov 2020 #84

Really don't need this shit. beachbumbob Nov 2020 #90

I haven't nicknamed her Cardi A Plus for nothing. rocktivity Nov 2020 #93

This isn't about corporate anything BainsBane Nov 2020 #126

'a no-holds-barred, post-election interview with the New York Times,'? 'interpreted by the Guardian? elleng Nov 2020 #96

My position is this squabbling from anyone should wait until after the Georgia runoffs still_one Nov 2020 #103

Yes but elleng Nov 2020 #114

yup still_one Nov 2020 #122

Of course. mountain grammy Nov 2020 #195

Here in the goood 'ole U S of A, we have a really bad habit of... maddogesq Nov 2020 #97

No political campaign can be immune from criticism. Eyeball_Kid Nov 2020 #99

I agree that Obama wasn't "lefty enough" on some things... maddogesq Nov 2020 #105

"AOC, I love you, but...." heckles65 Nov 2020 #100

I so agree! Messaging is everything! Chemisse Nov 2020 #120

We need to win a runoff in Georgia. We don't need this right now. still_one Nov 2020 #102

THIS!! relayerbob Nov 2020 #106

After the runoffs and inauguration, let the debates among Democrats begin still_one Nov 2020 #107

BINGO! NT maddogesq Nov 2020 #111

She's won two races in a very blue district Happy Hoosier Nov 2020 #108

Here we go again wyldwolf Nov 2020 #109

She said she almost thought of not re-running again.... LovingA2andMI Nov 2020 #113

She is correct! BasicallyComplicated Nov 2020 #115

Just when I was thinking she might be a good congresswoman BainsBane Nov 2020 #119

WHAT AN IDIOT! TigressDem Nov 2020 #121

A couple of weeks ago, I remember a lot of us being excited by the turnout of young voters. Lonestarblue Nov 2020 #124

News flash BainsBane Nov 2020 #131

Yeah, he won. He's a moderate. 3825-87867 Nov 2020 #141

I don't disagree with much of that BainsBane Nov 2020 #146

Also "moderate" Biden has a better record on the environment than JI7 Nov 2020 #196

the progressives also vary greatly BainsBane Nov 2020 #199

+1 betsuni Nov 2020 #220

The in-house fighting doesn't serve anyone peggysue2 Nov 2020 #148

Everywhere is not like her districy Piratedog Nov 2020 #125

Exactly. Thank you. NurseJackie Nov 2020 #128

Rep. Spanberger defeated Tea Party prince David Brat westerebus Nov 2020 #163

AOC won in a deep blue district BainsBane Nov 2020 #135

People cheered we lost Doug Jones and he is very frustrating. His loss didn't help us any. LizBeth Nov 2020 #142

Did they really? BainsBane Nov 2020 #147

That is the issue with Sanders style progressive. A lack of forward thinking which is kinda ironic LizBeth Nov 2020 #153

We BigOleDummy Nov 2020 #139

FDR didn't first run on reform BainsBane Nov 2020 #162

Tell her to move to Nebraska, or even frazzled Nov 2020 #140

The Democratic Party invariably tries to run DeminPennswoods Nov 2020 #149

Couldn't have said it better myself LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #157

I wish it'd turned out that way when Blanche Lincoln was primaried. moriah Nov 2020 #176

I think progressive messaging probably did play a part in some of the losses but cstanleytech Nov 2020 #156

I guess she worked to help Max Rose? Historic NY Nov 2020 #159

Saw her on CNN and some criticisms are more than legit tishaLA Nov 2020 #161

The so called centrists bluestateboomer Nov 2020 #165

Let's win Georgia Senate runoffs first! BlueWavePsych Nov 2020 #166

I love AOC. I agree with almost everything she said except,- 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #168

Hmm. AOC once again makes statements that are controversial... PatrickforO Nov 2020 #170

It doesn't matter. Her extensive words are flying around for our detractors to reframe and not Ninga Nov 2020 #172

That's a very astute post, Ninga! She'd be wise to ask herself "What Would Nancy Do?"... NurseJackie Nov 2020 #180

Yes. Leader Pelosi has an admirable level of savvy along with an uncanny ability to read her Ninga Nov 2020 #184

It is way too soon for an election "post-mortem" Redleg Nov 2020 #178

It seems Conor Lamb has been reelected . . . ucrdem Nov 2020 #186

We really need to get on the gerrymandering issue TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #190

Brave insight from AOC as usual lefthandedskyhook Nov 2020 #197

AOC: 3 years of elections and campaigning, with a 3 - 0 record. LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #200

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #204

"...he can't include Dem progressives...?" LudwigPastorius Nov 2020 #211

I think she invigorates the conversation hamsterjill Nov 2020 #209

The DNC needs some shaking up! burrowowl Nov 2020 #214

Clyburn pointed to "Defund the Police" as the problem flamingdem Nov 2020 #219

Trashed the thread...with an important run off in GA, I question her timing. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #234

She is gunning for a state-wide election AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #236