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84. I'm not optimistic, but it doesn't matter as far as SCOTUS pressure is concerned

Tue Nov 10, 2020, 07:45 PM

Nov 2020

We didn't win a single "tossup" race in Congress and even lost several that were "lean Democrat". GA will have the eyes of the nation on it... but turnout is still not likely to be as high as last week was. Without Trump on the ballot to oppose, it's going to be tough.

But even winning both would just make things 50/50 with Harris breaking the tie... but there wouldn't be unanimity in the caucus to kill the filibuster (and thus, the court stays as it is). It would help us get judges confirmed and keep Republicans from running investigations out of the Senate... which is HUGE... but it wouldn't threaten the court.

In fact, it's just the opposite. Democrats are starting to make it seem as though they won't take on the courts... in an attempt to help in GA (see Manchin's latest).

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'The ACA is safe': Justice Kavanaugh shocks legal experts by suggesting he will save Obamacare [View all] srose58089 Nov 2020 OP

The mandate is what makes it work greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #1

Maybe so, but the mandate is what hurts people The Mouth Nov 2020 #7

Maybe so greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #9

Again, you state someting as if it were a fact The Mouth Nov 2020 #86

There is a better way. Dump the insurance system and enact universal care like every everybody else. apnu Nov 2020 #17

Public option qazplm135 Nov 2020 #19

Exactly. To please the GOP which voted against it anyway. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #28

He wasn't the only one... regnaD kciN Nov 2020 #83

The mandate IS TOO EXPENSIVE if you don't qualify for the subsidy Auggie Nov 2020 #45

What hurts everybody Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #49

Social Security and Medicare are mandates. LiberalFighter Nov 2020 #60

Any health system requires everyone participate. Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #63

how does it hurt people? Dyedinthewoolliberal Nov 2020 #73

The people that keep saying they want to KEEP their private insurance. HOW many of those policies.. usaf-vet Nov 2020 #75

Better way? Taxes? Cons won't like that. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2020 #78

So how much was the mandate? I bet most folks don't even know. nt Boogiemack Nov 2020 #85

That's what I thought. Sucha NastyWoman Nov 2020 #8

It seems like we democrats can't be bothered to explain wahat is very explainable. not_the_one Nov 2020 #24

The rebublicans already explained it. Mr.Bill Nov 2020 #50

That's a great idea... OneGrassRoot Nov 2020 #64

yeah it has. mopinko Nov 2020 #42

Kinda but not really mathematic Nov 2020 #14

In 2007/2008. Obama was against the mandate karynnj Nov 2020 #18

The mandate hurt me when I first applied Polybius Nov 2020 #30

I'm sure that actually did happen to some people greenjar_01 Nov 2020 #37

It happened to me, too. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2020 #66

not anymore AlexSFCA Nov 2020 #44

it has had no penalty for years quaker bill Nov 2020 #87

He wants to be remembered for something other than bursting into tears Aristus Nov 2020 #2

None of Trump's nominees can be fired; some may actually care about their legacies. lagomorph777 Nov 2020 #62

Con Supremos are Playing Along for Now StClone Nov 2020 #74

Even if that had been true... they aren't afraid of it now FBaggins Nov 2020 #79

If we win one we will likely win both Georgia Senate seats. StClone Nov 2020 #82

I'm not optimistic, but it doesn't matter as far as SCOTUS pressure is concerned FBaggins Nov 2020 #84

How about we excise the mandate ... GeorgeGist Nov 2020 #3

????? niyad Nov 2020 #13

What? Rebl2 Nov 2020 #26

I think that's already a law Polybius Nov 2020 #31

Sorry, I don't want Russians voting in our elections! LeftInTX Nov 2020 #35

this doesn't tell us anything yet. samsingh Nov 2020 #4

Agree. Talk is cheap! LeftInTX Nov 2020 #36

Have observed that a number of Kavanaugh and/or Gorsuch votes have parted company Zambero Nov 2020 #5

So funny - seems he learned he'd been assigned Backseat Driver Nov 2020 #6

Right now the people without the insurance go to the emergency room and get treated. LiberalArkie Nov 2020 #10

Their "treatment" is enough to get them stabilized and then booted out the door progree Nov 2020 #16

This has been going on since the 90's LeftInTX Nov 2020 #38

"Childbirth, major trauma, life and death situations are admitted." - I didn't say they weren't progree Nov 2020 #67

Got it! Agree LeftInTX Nov 2020 #69

The point of overturning the ACA, House of Roberts Nov 2020 #11

The subsidy is based on self reported income Merlot Nov 2020 #22

COBRA will nearly always be priced out of your reach - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #40

Wow, I didn't know that. For years on the ACA, they asked for an estimate of my annual progree Nov 2020 #68

You should get a statement from whoever provides your insurance Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #76

Thanks for the great info. The ACA is so complex progree Nov 2020 #81

For all practical purposes the Mandate ended in 2017. The ACA will remain intact after SC rules, Hoyt Nov 2020 #12

+1 2naSalit Nov 2020 #34

The premise of the litigation is that it is unconstitutional without a mandate - Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #41

I get that, and the SC is going to say it is not UnConstitutional. But if everyone wants to worry, Hoyt Nov 2020 #46

Glad you have a crystal ball. Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #48

You seem to have a crystal ball too. All the Appeals Court did was strike down the Mandate, nothing Hoyt Nov 2020 #51

Her access to health care has been under constant attack, Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #54

I know it has been under attack, and it has survived everyone of them. Never asked you to Hoyt Nov 2020 #56

It's a bit hard to take, "The ACA will remain intact after SC rules" Ms. Toad Nov 2020 #58

Man, I hope you're right. BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #77

IMO when conservatives like him say such things in public it all too often means the opposite. Ford_Prefect Nov 2020 #15

Biden wants the public option IronLionZion Nov 2020 #20

I like the idea of a public option in which everyone gets a health credit that pays for it in full Sapient Donkey Nov 2020 #57

Not surprised, really question everything Nov 2020 #21

The last Justice that we appointed that moved to the right was Byron White in 1962 Polybius Nov 2020 #32

He's not the only one signaling skepticism today. yardwork Nov 2020 #23

Posturing. I don't trust him for a second. not_the_one Nov 2020 #25

Exactly! Why does anyone here believe anything Kavanaugh has to say? Earthshine2 Nov 2020 #52

What the hell happened? Aristus Nov 2020 #27

It's all profit-driven healthcare bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #29

Roberts has already said similar. If they're telling the truth about their opinions.... George II Nov 2020 #33

Did anyone administer a sobriety test before he said that? Mr. Ected Nov 2020 #39

I don't know why Repubs were so certain the ACA would fall. Calista241 Nov 2020 #43

Exactly. I'd add, I don't know why so many Democrats are certain it will be repealed. Hoyt Nov 2020 #47

The justices are aware Barrett's confirmation tarnished the court dlk Nov 2020 #53

Maybe Brett wants you to know that he will play nice and we don't need to 58Sunliner Nov 2020 #55

When it comes to Republicans dlk Nov 2020 #59

The ACA will not be severely harmed WHILE the GA senate seats are undecided. Hortensis Nov 2020 #61

The ACA is better for private insurance companies than Medicare for All. mackdaddy Nov 2020 #65

Brett knows Kamala's eyeing him up closely... Blue Owl Nov 2020 #70

Count me as thinking these Angelic Faces are too good to be true bucolic_frolic Nov 2020 #71

Hold the champagne. Assume nothing. Raven123 Nov 2020 #72

More stress, just what I do NOT need for my fragile health. BigmanPigman Nov 2020 #80