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Divernan

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19. Your extreme view is woefully uninformed as to the current state of negotiations.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 09:26 AM
Oct 2012

You also demonstrate no knowledge of the EU's charter and treaties, the scope of its court's jurisdiction, etc., and basically conflate and confuse the EU with the United Nations, NATO, etc. And there is no binding international law, other than treaty law. None of the treaties to which the EU member states are party requires them/it to assume responsibility for the long-standing hostilities between Israel and Palestine.

A multi-stage effort is required to resolve the volatile dispute and is ongoing. In point of fact, in an Associated Press report, Hamas stated in May of this year it is holding back-channel discussions with 5 major member states of the EU.

"In the backchannel talks, Hamas is seeking assurances that European countries will recognize the outcome of future Palestinian elections, Hamdan said. It's not clear when such elections would be held, since they are linked to a stalled reconciliation agreement between Hamas and its main rival, Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05/02/hamas-says-it-holding-talks-with-5-eu-countries/#ixzz295sGwDG4

So you, being the expert on Hamas, should be able to share with us what's happened to the stalled reconciliation agreement between Hamas and its main rival. And what is the source of this rivalry, anyway? Why don't you contribute some facts/links to the discussion. You pose questions with no (documented) answers.

From another source, the Jerusalem Post: "However, at an earlier press briefing on Monday, EU representative Christian Berger said there had been no change in the EU’s position regarding engagement with Hamas. Berger said there was another condition as well, and that was Hamas’s acceptance of the “principle of tolerance” and “rule of law.”

Berger, asked whether the current financial problems plaguing the EU could impact the amount of aid the EU gave to the Palestinians, said that the current budget was locked in until 2013. The EU, as an organization, currently provides the PA with about €500 million in annual aid, with another €500m. coming from the individual states. This is the EU’s largest per capita foreign aid contribution.

Berger said that much of the aid was going toward building Palestinian institutions for eventual statehood, and that if it appeared that the statehood was not in the offing, there would likely be questions about the continuation of that aid. However, he said,if there would be a diplomatic breakthrough and a Palestinian state would be created, EU support would probably increase to ensure its success.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=176374

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Well, that's an interesting one... Hissyspit Oct 2012 #1
To say the least MissHoneychurch Oct 2012 #2
I am an EU skeptic, but.. Lars77 Oct 2012 #5
All the great powers Sgent Oct 2012 #26
I suspect the US and Russia occupying the whole of the continent 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #33
Certainly it is not justifiable Kindly Refrain Oct 2012 #13
Individual member states maintain their own standing military, independent of the EU. Divernan Oct 2012 #15
Seems reasonable to me Sherman A1 Oct 2012 #3
It'll piss off the far right in Europe, which is a Good Thing (nt) muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #4
Not forgetting.... T_i_B Oct 2012 #7
It will also piss off the far- (and not so far) right in the US who continually disparage the EU pampango Oct 2012 #9
Every Nobel pisses off the right. It's like it's part of the job description by now. (nt) Posteritatis Oct 2012 #30
I guess since we haven't had another World War started by Germany fasttense Oct 2012 #6
The EU did that??? former9thward Oct 2012 #25
We haven't had a world war since the invention of the atomic bomb 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #34
Everyone in Europe adding ‘Nobel Prize Winner’ to their CV dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #8
on par with kissenger and obama getting it SESKATOW Oct 2012 #10
The EU is the single largest donor of foreign aid to Palestinians. Divernan Oct 2012 #14
how does that compare to trade with Israel?? SESKATOW Oct 2012 #16
Your extreme view is woefully uninformed as to the current state of negotiations. Divernan Oct 2012 #19
Divernan- you completely ignored the points I was making. SESKATOW Oct 2012 #43
You're not a fan of Obama, then? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #21
Muriel - he aint no progressive and he aint no dove. SESKATOW Oct 2012 #42
EU's financial sector (Eurozone crisis) originated in US's unregulated banking practises Divernan Oct 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 Oct 2012 #12
And the award goes to: jsr Oct 2012 #17
The EU is a political project that the people never voted for. Democratopia Oct 2012 #18
1975: UK embraces Europe in referendum. Divernan Oct 2012 #22
Most countries have had referenda in favour of joining, since 1973 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #23
Good link - thanks Divernan Oct 2012 #29
Completely Wrong Democratopia Oct 2012 #36
No, I was quite correct, even if you take the strict names muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #38
I am sorry, but you are completely wrong. Democratopia Oct 2012 #44
Is this some new definition of 'wrong' you're using? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #45
a keiser classic SESKATOW Oct 2012 #48
Thanks. On behalf of the Nobel Committee, I shall sacrifice myself as a EU citizen WilmywoodNCparalegal Oct 2012 #20
Why does anyone care what this committee has to say any more? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #24
well, well! I'm heading out to Brussels on Sunday. CTyankee Oct 2012 #27
Have fun! In your honor, I will watch the noirish "In Bruges" again. Divernan Oct 2012 #31
How nice! We will be going to Bruges, actually. And Ghent and Antwerp. CTyankee Oct 2012 #32
Also check out Martin McDonagh's latest film, Seven Psychopaths Divernan Oct 2012 #39
Many, many thanks Divernan! You are a treasure! CTyankee Oct 2012 #41
MissHoneychurch Diclotican Oct 2012 #28
You know MissHoneychurch Oct 2012 #35
MissHoneychurch Diclotican Oct 2012 #37
Reactions from the European far-right: Marine Le Pen, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage, etc. pampango Oct 2012 #40
Now the EU stands along side peacemakers like Kissinger and Arafat. Old Union Guy Oct 2012 #46
An admirable choice indeed. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #47
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