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Hekate

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7. Well, okay. I'd love to see the drawings & models of the replacement honoring -- something
Tue Dec 29, 2020, 06:08 PM
Dec 2020

All over the South the Daughters of the Confederacy erected heroic statues to the men who fought to keep Black people enslaved. Those were the statues that loomed over Southern communities for about a century, before they finally recently started coming down, and even now racists are plenty sore about their removal.

We fought a Civil War. The South wanted to retain its fine traditions, which were basically slavery. We have photos of some of the freed slaves — one in particular of a man baring his back to display the deep corded keloid scars on his back, testament to numerous whippings. We have oral testimonies and written testimonies from survivors.

There were Black heroes who spoke and wrote and were activists against slavery. We honor them to this day. But slavery was not going to end in the United States without federal legislation, and they and everybody else knew it.

As it happened, Abraham Lincoln was the president who signed the Emancipation Proclamation to set these people free. (At which point we fought a Civil War.) Did he or didn’t he do this? Does he or doesn’t he deserve a statue?

Were Black people in a state of subjugation (on their knees) before then or were they not? Would changing the pose of the freed slave to standing upright make the difference to a modern sensibility? Is there something shameful to Black people today about their ancestors having once been enslaved? Shouldn’t all of us have to reckon with that in our public art, or should it be smoothed over somehow?

Do we have to melt down that statue and start over in order to align with modern feelings? This statue is a particular rendition of our common history, from a particular time — What exactly are we rectifying in removing it? If a different interpretation of history is called for now, would it be served by erecting a companion statue rather than removing the original?

Just asking for a friend, as it were.



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This statue would not even be on my list of objectionable things, but I guess since statues abqtommy Dec 2020 #1
I'm Guessing It's The Kneeling Position ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #2
Put it in a museum where it can be a teaching tool to kids in learning Lindoln's history and CTyankee Dec 2020 #3
Mixed feelings. What was the sculptor's intent to portray? Need more information. Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #4
There was another very similar statue where the intent was to show NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #5
Now that would be cool. Difficult to know unless sculptor's intent is recorded? Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #9
Looks like that's what it is. It's a copy of the Emancipation Memorial NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #17
Great information. I wonder if anything exists from the sculptor, in terms of interpretation. Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #18
The artist cast one word into the base of the statue: Emancipation. JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2020 #6
Well, okay. I'd love to see the drawings & models of the replacement honoring -- something Hekate Dec 2020 #7
Really good questions. Thanks Evolve Dammit Dec 2020 #10
This is just fodder for the right. JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #8
See my post #13. Faygo Kid Dec 2020 #14
Let's hope we don't keep that factoid under our collar. JohnnyRingo Dec 2020 #19
I'd entertain the slave kneeling replaced with a confederate solider kneeling. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #11
They certainly wouldn't like that. BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #12
Nah. We should have a statue of a black man standing tall and confident apnu Dec 2020 #21
Lincoln wanted no one to kneel to him. He would approve. Faygo Kid Dec 2020 #13
I think that's what this statue may be portraying. NYC Liberal Dec 2020 #16
Good BumRushDaShow Dec 2020 #15
I know what to replace it with jmowreader Dec 2020 #20
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