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In reply to the discussion: Arkansas State Rep: ‘If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn’t Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?’ [View all]panzerfaust
(2,818 posts)158. As many still are.
Slavery was institutionalized in all ancient agrarian cultures, thus it is not surprising that the Hebrew Bible simply takes it for granted -Unless one believes the work to be that of a god, in which case it is very puzzling,
The Christian New Testament is actually, as I recall, a bit vague on the practice - but certainly never condemns it.
One should read Frederick Douglass's Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass written in 1845 shortly after he escaped from the opportunity of slavery into which he had been born in The Gracious and Christian South.
Here is a small excerpt from a section in which he discusses why it was worse to be the slave of a piously religious (Christian) owner, than of a non-religious one:
I have said my master found religious sanction for his cruelty. As an example, I will state one of many facts going to prove the charge. I have seen him tie up a lame young woman, and whip her with a heavy cow skin upon her naked shoulders, causing the warm red blood to drip; and, in justification of the bloody deed, he would quote this passage of Scripture--"He that knoweth his master's will, and doeth it not, shall be beaten with many stripes."
Master would keep this lacerated young, woman tied up in this horrid situation four or five hours at a time. I have known him to tie her up early in the morning, and whip her before breakfast; leave her, go to his store, return at dinner, and whip her again, cutting her in the places already made raw with his cruel lash. The secret of master's cruelty toward "Henny" is found in the fact of her being almost helpless. When quite a child, she fell into the fire, and burned herself horribly. Her hands were so burnt, that she never got the use of them. She could do very little but bear heavy burdens. She was to master a bill of expense; and as he was a mean man, she was a constant offence to him. He seemed desirous of getting the poor girl out of existence. He gave her away once to his sister; but, being a poor gift, she was not disposed to keep her. Finally, my benevolent master, to use his own words, "set her adrift to take care of herself." Here was a recently-converted man, holding on upon the mother, and at the same time turning out her helpless child, to starve and die! Master Thomas was one of the many pious slaveholders who hold slaves for the very charitable purpose of taking care of them.
This is what the grand Battle Flag of The Confederacy represents,
and those values sadly are with us still.
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Arkansas State Rep: ‘If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn’t Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?’ [View all]
Galraedia
Oct 2012
OP
Here we go again, with the supposed third party confirmations that Jesus really existed.
stopbush
Oct 2012
#103
You are right, a dude named Jesus did live, but he was just an average carpenter
snooper2
Oct 2012
#116
Nonsense. There's no proof that Paul actually existed. If you have such proof, produce it.
stopbush
Oct 2012
#51
If for those who don't believe in Jesus, the guy was a pretty admirable person
LynneSin
Oct 2012
#28
Yes, the Founders' ideas are unknown to most Americans. The GOPTeaParty rewrote history.
freshwest
Oct 2012
#60
I'd like to put in a pitch for the Book of Job, which is great in a black-humor
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#163
Because they worship evil and Jesus doesn't qualify, but Paul most certainly does.
Vidar
Oct 2012
#84
What's funny about Paul is that most of "his" fundamentalist writings weren't written by him.
antigone382
Oct 2012
#88
They like Paul because he was a cranky bald dude who hated sex and feared women.
Ken Burch
Oct 2012
#175
Paul wrote the Epistles, converted the Gentiles, and is historically more significant than Jesus.
Bucky
Oct 2012
#186
therefore "IF being gay were so god-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it"? nt
msongs
Oct 2012
#5
Er well um not everything they said was meant to be taking literally
4th law of robotics
Oct 2012
#143
Am not a believer in the rapture, however, if there really is one I hope God takes
southernyankeebelle
Oct 2012
#10
Me, I want to come back as a flea so I can bite rich Republicans in the ass. I would like to
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#164
I remember when H. W. denounced David Duke when he was the Republican nominee for LA governor.
Mike Daniels
Oct 2012
#12
Dear Second Stone:"Jesus was absolutely clear everyone was to be treated as a loved one"
Manifestor_of_Light
Oct 2012
#58
The Republicans are going nuts in trying out-crazy each other in Arkansas. From yesterday:
Whovian
Oct 2012
#34
Leaving us the problem of figuring out when he was right and when he was wrong.
FiveGoodMen
Oct 2012
#38
State GOP pulls funds for now, but will start funneling money once the furor dies down.
bullwinkle428
Oct 2012
#43
The Abrahamic religions are flawed and inconsistent & contradict themselves.
Manifestor_of_Light
Oct 2012
#145
he's seen too many of those african cartoons boiling the missionaries in the pot
newspeak
Oct 2012
#142
Interesting analogue (precedent to Thanksgiving): would the lives of native Americans
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#165
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You ignorant Arkansas fuckwad.
Lint Head
Oct 2012
#55
You know, this is gooing TOO f@cking far....black folks chafed under the lash
Ecumenist
Oct 2012
#68
this man really wants his state prison slave labor chain gangs back..with him as the whip cracker
Sunlei
Oct 2012
#76
Hmmm, lets see, they condemned adultery, can I watch while you stone Gingrich
still_one
Oct 2012
#79
They probably did until Rome rewrote Christianity in the mold of their slave state
Coyotl
Oct 2012
#93
Then you've got the GOP in Arkansas saying that there should be a Death Penalty
blkmusclmachine
Oct 2012
#109
This guy is the pioneer. In four years, expect a pro-slavery plank in the Republican platform.
tclambert
Oct 2012
#111
At which point, I think we can realistically expect to see Abraham Lincoln
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#166
The 'abolition' of slavery had a lot to do with things Biblical. Radical
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#167
Saying that John Brown and the radical abolitionists 'reinterpreted' or 'misread' the
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#178
As I understand it, Brown found Biblical warrant for abolitionism in the
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#181
Fundamentalists can and will sink lower than their imagined Satan ever would.
FiveGoodMen
Oct 2012
#122
The slavery we had in the US was completely different than that of those days. For one thing back
jwirr
Oct 2012
#121
Dante reserved the lowest circle of his Inferno to the hypocrites. That
coalition_unwilling
Oct 2012
#168
Soooooo . . . . would Mauch be cool with Jesus being the slave of Herrod?
no_hypocrisy
Oct 2012
#128
Because then, shit bag, slavery was common place and acceptable...
and-justice-for-all
Oct 2012
#140
Because they were ignorant, superstitious goatherders, that's why.
Manifestor_of_Light
Oct 2012
#146
I guess this is final proof that the neanderthals did mate with real humans.
truthisfreedom
Oct 2012
#162