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TiberiusB

(524 posts)
57. A bit hyperbolic, but a much more reasoned response, thank you
Mon Apr 26, 2021, 03:23 AM
Apr 2021
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-joe-manchin-is-so-willing-and-able-to-block-his-partys-goals/

I think this is a decent analysis, though I think it ignores the corporate support he gets, which ties into his opposition to the $15 minimum wage. Joe Manchin is not a young man. At almost 74, he is close to the end of his career, so straining to hang on to his seat may be a lost cause, even if you put aside his narrow win in the last election (3%). I believe he is up again in 2024. That's a Presidential election year. That doesn't bode well for any Democrat.

As for the filibuster, I can guarantee that the GOP will eliminate it the second they take power again, should they find themselves unable to meet the 60 vote threshold. Preserving it now will not win any points for the Democrats. It won't stop the gerrymandering or the voter suppression. The GOP has no illusions as to their popularity. They cannot win without tilting the playing field, so they do, brazenly now, and they only care about the electoral college which Biden very narrowly won (look at the vote totals, not the electoral count). So long as only the Democrats play by the rules of a system badly biased in favor of the Right, they risk becoming the permanent minority in government where they represent the majority of the citizens.

But isn't "tyranny of the majority" another term for democracy? Is that how you view elections? We're not talking about forcing conservatives into labor camps. Obama reached out and got burned for four years. Mitch McConnell and the GOP have openly stated that they are prepared to block all of Biden's initiatives. How many recent votes have struggled to pry free even one Republican? How many have succeeded in winning over none? Can you name 10 who would cross over and risk a primary? Which party has censured those of it's members that dared to support the outcome of the election? It's a relief that some now recognize that when only one party is interested in bipartisanship, it's not compromise, it's capitulation. Decades of rightward drift have landed us in a world where attempted insurrection is dismissed as patriotism and all attempts to benefit the working class over the wealthy is labeled socialism. The GOP are pushing forward hundred of bills to suppress the vote. They've already tainted the census and packed the courts. The party is moving ever rightward, with some members actively looking to overturn the last election, and others openly supporting dangerously violent extremist groups like the Proud Boys and QAnon.

Opposing this and fighting to preserve even the tattered semblance of democracy left in this country looks like "tyranny"?

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joe takes his marching orders from ALEC Champion Jack Apr 2021 #1
On what do you base that? George II Apr 2021 #7
This help? TiberiusB Apr 2021 #36
ALEC is a hard core fascist organization. Roisin Ni Fiachra Apr 2021 #43
No. Only the first refers to ALEC. Plus: George II Apr 2021 #52
Does he stand in the way of DC statehood? Stargleamer Apr 2021 #2
Not yet. He says he's willing to discuss. ancianita Apr 2021 #17
Apparently, he doesn't Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #18
Apparently he does Stargleamer Apr 2021 #58
Apparently he changed his mind since I posted. Beastly Boy Apr 2021 #60
He says he supports DC statehood Calista241 Apr 2021 #50
He was deceptive Stargleamer Apr 2021 #59
I'm so tired of his see saw ways. He will say the opposite tomorrow. mucifer Apr 2021 #3
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #4
If he did that he would become irrelevant in a snap. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #6
true Marthe48 Apr 2021 #8
I had to look him up--A. James Manchin. CrispyQ Apr 2021 #15
That he does. peppertree Apr 2021 #12
"very difficult for the public to understand" claims senator 2% PSPS Apr 2021 #5
What we understand, Sen. Manchin: rlegro Apr 2021 #9
I think... Mike Nelson Apr 2021 #10
I think Manchin remembers when in 2017 pendejo called for eliminating the filibuster, which many ancianita Apr 2021 #14
He always does. He winds up voting for such bills and with the Democratic position a lot more.... George II Apr 2021 #16
Yes exactly. The time to judge him is when the rubber hits the road OnDoutside Apr 2021 #20
Last year he voted with the Democratic position far more times than some others. I don't know.... George II Apr 2021 #21
In a way he is the Democrats Susan Collins and they need to give him the OnDoutside Apr 2021 #23
I wonder how many keyboard warriors who attack him AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #26
yes, because we all know the GOP is open to reason TiberiusB Apr 2021 #37
Since you're the expert on his voting record AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #39
Nice over reaction to a legitamite point TiberiusB Apr 2021 #42
Why? AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #44
A bit hyperbolic, but a much more reasoned response, thank you TiberiusB Apr 2021 #57
It's funny how the same people who trash Manchin and Sinema seem to get excited AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #40
As if the last 20 years of polarisation never happened.... OnDoutside Apr 2021 #48
Two wrongs make a right - got it. AZSkiffyGeek Apr 2021 #51
Post removed Post removed Apr 2021 #11
Then get out the way. rickyhall Apr 2021 #13
Ummm... 2naSalit Apr 2021 #19
I didn't realize you are a WV right of center Manchin voter, because OnDoutside Apr 2021 #22
Doesn't matter if I am... 2naSalit Apr 2021 #24
He's not answerable to you though. I agree it is a complete pain OnDoutside Apr 2021 #25
Of Course You're Not, Joe! Mad Kirrua Apr 2021 #27
Welcome to DU! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2021 #46
A 'Roadblock' meeans nothing passes ArizonaLib Apr 2021 #28
LMAO aocommunalpunch Apr 2021 #29
He is actually correct about the fact bills shouldn't have bunches of unrelated provisions dsc Apr 2021 #30
The public understands just fine LiberalLovinLug Apr 2021 #31
"I'm not a roadblock at all!" Grokenstein Apr 2021 #32
"... it makes it very, very difficult for the public to understand." There Carlitos Brigante Apr 2021 #33
He's Not A Roadblock. GB_RN Apr 2021 #34
For HIS voters to understand JustAnotherGen Apr 2021 #35
look joe manchin has found 10 bipartisan republican senators....not nt msongs Apr 2021 #38
i think Manchin's awful. He is obstructing. LET JOE PASS HIS BILLS !!!!! Trueblue1968 Apr 2021 #41
he means hard for him to understand. mountain grammy Apr 2021 #45
This is tragic! We got rid of Moscow Mitch and now we have Manchin holding up passing bills. mysteryowl Apr 2021 #47
Cool story bro... CaptainTruth Apr 2021 #49
Are we parsing language now? ananda Apr 2021 #53
Hard to believe how resistant to Manchin is. marble falls Apr 2021 #54
not just a roadblock - a denialist asshole heading toward turncoat bringthePaine Apr 2021 #55
Pah! If'd I'd been drinking something it'd been spit out. electric_blue68 Apr 2021 #56
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