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progree

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19. "I think you were arguing 'cut the red tape and just make it' and it's not that easy."
Wed May 5, 2021, 09:59 PM
May 2021

Nope, didn't mean that at all. I'm talking about waiving the intellectual property rights and don't see why weeks and weeks have to be spent negotiating that with Pfizer etc.. I have no idea how long it will take other companies and countries to start and ramp up quality production, but we need to stop piddling around on intellectual property rights, and get to step 2 really very soon.

pharmaceutical companies always argue that they take years to come up with this stuff and want exclusivity to market and sell it (at a premium).


Of course. And we don't have to bow down to them in an international crisis. That's my point. In an international crisis (this isn't some "lifestyle drug" ) we don't have to spend weeks and weeks on negotiating with the drug companies something that they will be happy with.

The "negotiations" are to deal with allowing that proprietary process to be shared with (I assume) some limit to liability of the originator if others using the process "gets it wrong", and I would assume, some agreement to appropriate compensation for giving up that exclusivity (which the DPA can provide).


As for liability for when an Indian factory takes the e.g. Pfizer recipe and makes some generic and screws it up, I don't know why Pfizer would be responsible for that, it would be a really stretched case, and I'm sure there is boiler plate language out there used for many other generics that are manufactured by others.

I do believe we (the U.S. government, aka taxpayers) should compensate our pharmaceutical companies (but not up to the level of scarcity-monopolistic pricing), but it's not that we have to spend forever coming up with terms that they will like. We didn't turn our selves into pretzels during WWII when we told companies what to do whether they liked it or not.



Not a moment too soon!!!!!! cloudythescribbler May 2021 #1
+1000 Gaugamela May 2021 #2
I agree with the "from the start" part Shermann May 2021 #5
The Pharma companies got billions in advance from the government, the basic research was Gaugamela May 2021 #7
Agreed, and well said! nt crickets May 2021 #23
Oh, ughh. How about coming up with something quick like very real soon? progree May 2021 #3
That's because of all the patent law BumRushDaShow May 2021 #6
None of this crap can be cut through by government edict? Like what if this was WWII and progree May 2021 #9
Well remember there was an agreement put in place for Merck to work with J&J on the Janssen vaccine BumRushDaShow May 2021 #10
" they are going to be injected (or ingested) in a human being" progree May 2021 #12
When you're talking about mRNA or virus-based vectors BumRushDaShow May 2021 #13
Quality in manufacturing and patent protection are two different issues. The patent protection progree May 2021 #14
They are related BumRushDaShow May 2021 #16
You are talking about manufacturing quality and following the recipe exactly. That has nothing to do progree May 2021 #17
The issue is patents, which involve proprietary products/processes, and whether to waive the patents BumRushDaShow May 2021 #18
"I think you were arguing 'cut the red tape and just make it' and it's not that easy." progree May 2021 #19
I really don't think it's going to take that long BumRushDaShow May 2021 #20
I saw the WTO and WHO stuff in the OP - that's what my question originally was about progree May 2021 #21
Well that might not be anything that we can control BumRushDaShow May 2021 #22
Profit above all else. That ends up in some companies having more interesting in taking lives... Lancero May 2021 #11
Precisely /nt progree May 2021 #15
It will be interesting to see if this ends up in court JohnSJ May 2021 #4
Immediate thoughts: Which patents? All of them? If Biden can persuade pharmaceuticals who used the ancianita May 2021 #8
They should tread carefully. Also, any generic Covid vaccines would be a year away... NurseJackie May 2021 #24
Covid: Germany rejects US-backed proposal to waive vaccine patents muriel_volestrangler May 2021 #25
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