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karynnj

(59,507 posts)
6. It might be that PUBLICLY pushing Netanyahu would be counterproductive
Mon May 17, 2021, 12:53 PM
May 2021

Blinken's comments are more balanced than many previous Secretaries of State. (other than Kerry) As a Senator, Sanders has much more latitude in his oped - and he, like Blinken and Biden, speaks of Israel's right to defend itself.

The biggest problem is that compared to any past time, pushing for a cease fire that would then lead to a serious process to achieve a fair resolution - such as the two state solution - is pretty unlikely. Israel's elections have elected progressively more right wing members of Knesset in each of the last 4 elections that all seemed to have failed to create a government. The large block of ultraorthodox and the large block of right wing, nationalist MKs, either for or against Netanyahu, are by far the majority in the Knesset.

The problem with getting the 61 (out of 120) MKs needed to form a government is NOT because there are too few MKs who are right wing or ultraorthodox - many to the right of Netanyahu, it is that they are divided as some feel that Netanyahu is too corrupt to continue as Prime Minister. The last election even brought the Kahanist party into the Knesset -- and Netanyahu would have brought them into his government. Netanyahu was a few short of the 61 needed. The change faction looked like it might possibly pull off a win toppling Netanyahu as PM before the violence started. Lapid, who had the mandate to form that government would have had votes ranging from some on the far right, where Bennet led what is a settlers' party, to Meretz (the party DU might most agree with) to some Arabs, possibly supporting "from the outside". Bennet stopped talks when the attacks began. However, given how diverse it would have been, it is hard to imagine it having the ability to negotiate anything on teh Palestinian issue without blowing up.

While a ceasefire needs to happen, any "next steps" are tricky if not impossible as neither Israel or the Palestinians have a current government that is not just a caretaker government. This makes Biden's and Blinken's role far harder - even behind the scenes. Consider that if they deal wit just Netanyahu, it could be seen as giving him support over alternatives.

As to US diplomatic comments on Israel, remember how much flak John Kerry took when he said to an American Jewish audience, which did not disagree, that IF Israel continued on the path it was going, it COULD become an apartheid nation. Many in Europe and on the left here would have not used the two (capitalized) conditional words. Obviously the Trump/Kushner actions made the situation worse. For decades, liberal Jews and US policy may have used the goal of two states to avoid an obvious question. In the most of the rest of the world US policy is to push for Democratic governments that protect the rights of the minorities. Yugoslavia is a counterexample where a country was decomposed into new more homogeneous countries. However, in Israel, an additional plan is that Israel wants an ever increasing portion of the land.

Beyond Kerry, Blinken and even Sanders, I was very surprised to read an oped written by a young, American Jewish pundit, Peter Beinart that endorses the Palestinian right to return and implicitly a one state solution. https://jewishcurrents.org/teshuvah-a-jewish-case-for-palestinian-refugee-return/

Others know the Israeli parties better than I do, but I would guess that of the Jewish parties, only Meretz would even consider an idea like this.

I don't understand the strategy of blowing up high rise buildings. Walleye May 2021 #1
It's called collective punishment, and is technically illegal... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #2
It's disgusting. State sponsored terrorism of their own people. Walleye May 2021 #3
Well the IDF claims that those buidlings house Hamas assets and therefore they are totodeinhere May 2021 #7
I would think they would send soldiers in. Not knock down the building Walleye May 2021 #10
Sending in ground troops would be widely regarded I think as a further escalation totodeinhere May 2021 #17
I'm sure you're right. But I always think there must be an answer to this thing Walleye May 2021 #21
I don't understand it.....but not about to play arm chair SOS PortTack May 2021 #4
Democrats are very divided on this IronLionZion May 2021 #5
It might be that PUBLICLY pushing Netanyahu would be counterproductive karynnj May 2021 #6
A so-called one state solution will never fly with a majority of Israeli politicians since most of totodeinhere May 2021 #8
completely agree, however, the majority is also against 2 states. karynnj May 2021 #15
I will read this more carefully later but you are saying that opposition to Netanyahu JI7 May 2021 #9
Israel has a very large number of parties karynnj May 2021 #14
It is not okay for Israel to continue blasting Gaza to with no concern for who is killed. Lonestarblue May 2021 #11
Calling ahead to evacuate buildings before strikes Mosby May 2021 #12
A whole HOUR BuddhaGirl May 2021 #13
It's more concern than Hamas is showing for Israeli civilians... N/T Jedi Guy May 2021 #16
So that makes it okay? Mysterian May 2021 #28
I don't really have an issue with blowing up an empty building. Jedi Guy May 2021 #29
I trust President Biden to make the right choice. N/T OneCrazyDiamond May 2021 #18
How much of a warning did Hamas give before they started launching rockets? ripcord May 2021 #19
About a day, give or take... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #20
They didn't actually warn anyone EX500rider May 2021 #22
So your problem is specificity? Really? Give me an effing break... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #23
A non-specific warning is useless... EX500rider May 2021 #24
They don't have medium range guided missiles, or bombers etc. Humanist_Activist May 2021 #25
If they are at such a disadvanatage ripcord May 2021 #27
Why would the US take any action? Steelrolled May 2021 #26
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