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BumRushDaShow

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5. Well there is also a differential
Thu Jul 22, 2021, 01:08 PM
Jul 2021

between what are dubbed "states rights" and what is under "federal jurisdiction" - to directly address your examples.

The passage of legislation that seeks to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her uterus as a "state law" gets compared to something akin to say, what California did - take money from the state's budget surplus, and provide a free lunch to every student in the state, regardless of income.

Those are state laws. Neither of those things are federal laws.

But in each case, there is a desire by those states, to make their legislation "national" (federal), and that is where the hearings and Committee votes come into play to discuss and tweak, and eventually send something to the floor for consideration by the legislative body. And in the Senate, that's where it might die without seeing the light of day, and without even giving a reason why the legislation should or should not even be considered by the rest of the chamber for debate.

In essence, it's not a matter of what is "right" or "wrong" but that it's become a lazy way to keep something from at least being considered, debated, and voted on. So when it comes to the Senate, rather than requiring that 3/5s is needed for the legislation to become law (vs a simple majority), it requires 3/5 to NOT have it automatically declared DOA before it is even looked at or debated.

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I don't get it. ancianita Jul 2021 #1
I think it boils down to BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #3
The problem (or not really)... LiberatedUSA Jul 2021 #4
Well there is also a differential BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #5
WHAT 'GOP platform' ? DemocraticPatriot Jul 2021 #26
How often did the Dems use the filibuster when they were in the minority? How about the GQP? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #11
Even the threat of the filibuster stopped the GOP. Calista241 Jul 2021 #14
Thank you. That puts the issue in better focus for me. nt LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #15
Well the GOP took over the Senate in January 2014, and then the "fun" began BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #16
Lots of data points... but misses the bigger picture FBaggins Jul 2021 #27
But you miss one thing BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2021 #12
But that doesn't make sense . . . . markpkessinger Jul 2021 #21
I have a feeling BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #25
McConnell and the Rs would dump the fillibuster Deminpenn Jul 2021 #29
Exactly BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #31
If Democrats do the right things for the people, republicans will not win again, keeping the Escurumbele Jul 2021 #17
As opposed to what's happening now? Miguelito Loveless Jul 2021 #2
well in fairness TFG just used EOs Voltaire2 Jul 2021 #7
Damned if we do. OneCrazyDiamond Jul 2021 #6
POORLY WRITTEN HEADLINE!!!!!! They're taking Pres. Biden somewhat out of context. groundloop Jul 2021 #8
you are right - that distinction is important to point out samsingh Jul 2021 #18
If The Democrats Think... GB_RN Jul 2021 #9
Filibuster was supposed to encourage both sides to hear one another bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #10
There was a supermajority requirement under the Articles of Confederation . . . . markpkessinger Jul 2021 #23
You're correct bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #24
interesting headline... stillcool Jul 2021 #13
okay, then fine. make it a real filibuster rather than this bullshit we currently have. Javaman Jul 2021 #19
What would the GOP do if tables were turned? End it immediately. Dems are too damn nice IMHO. Evolve Dammit Jul 2021 #20
That makes no sense to me at all. Joe has got himself mired in the fantasy of bipartisanship. Vinca Jul 2021 #22
The exact opposite would happen Deminpenn Jul 2021 #30
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