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In reply to the discussion: Biden: 'Nothing at all will get done' if filibuster abolished [View all]BumRushDaShow
(172,641 posts)28. But you miss one thing
and the trends are established in those data points for when the Rule suddenly skyrocketed into use.
I.e., you had a bunch of RW loons elected in 2010, and more each successive 2 years (in both chambers) who then proceeded to execute a plan that was essentially to block anything that Obama put forth - whether legislation recommendations or appointments.
So in your scenario (where we controlled the Presidency) -
If you control the House and they control the Senate... you just vote it down in the House. You don't filibuster.
it misses one initial reality where there were actually "swing state" representatives in the (R) House between 2010 and 2018 (around 25 or so), who made up enough votes to actually pass "bipartisan" legislation there to supplement almost all the (D) votes, and then send it to the then-(D) Senate (which was only (D)-controlled until 2014), where it was promptly filibustered by the GOP.
So the party may have "opposed it" but did not have enough "control" over all of their members to kill it before it moved from the House. And thus filibustering (cloture) meaning it never gets to to the point where it could even be "voted down", because it never makes it past the procedural vote, even if it is put on the schedule by a (D) Senate Majority Leader.
With the all-GOP setup (including the Presidency) that only lasted 2 years (2017 - 2018), the filibustering did commence by (D)s, which is what prompted the GOP to use reconciliation for an egregious piece of legislation - the tax cuts for billionaires that passed with a simple majority in the Senate in 2017.
After that, there was not much else left (other than non-controversial stuff) that actually got done and went unscathed through Congress, after which Democrats took the House in 2018 and changed the dynamic.
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How often did the Dems use the filibuster when they were in the minority? How about the GQP?
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
Jul 2021
#11
Well the GOP took over the Senate in January 2014, and then the "fun" began
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
#16
If Democrats do the right things for the people, republicans will not win again, keeping the
Escurumbele
Jul 2021
#17
POORLY WRITTEN HEADLINE!!!!!! They're taking Pres. Biden somewhat out of context.
groundloop
Jul 2021
#8
There was a supermajority requirement under the Articles of Confederation . . . .
markpkessinger
Jul 2021
#23
okay, then fine. make it a real filibuster rather than this bullshit we currently have.
Javaman
Jul 2021
#19
What would the GOP do if tables were turned? End it immediately. Dems are too damn nice IMHO.
Evolve Dammit
Jul 2021
#20