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In reply to the discussion: CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak were vaccinated [View all]BumRushDaShow
(130,948 posts)49. "211 people" - is now up to 882 total so far, with 653 (74%) fully vaccinated
I had actually stumbled on this article yesterday about that spreading event looking for something else -
CDC mask decision followed stunning findings from Cape Cod beach outbreak
July 29, 2021, 4:49 PM
8 min read
A week after the crowds descended upon Provincetown, Massachusetts, to celebrate the Fourth of July -- the holiday President Joe Biden hoped would mark the nation's liberation from COVID-19 -- the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of "a handful of positive COVID cases among folks" who spent time there. "We are in touch with the Health Department and Outer Cape Health Services and are closely monitoring the data," Alex Morse told reporters. he announcement wasn't unusual with roughly half of the country still unvaccinated and flare-ups of the virus popping up in various states. But within weeks, health officials seemed to be on to something much bigger.
The outbreak quickly grew to the hundreds and most of them appeared to be vaccinated. As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized. The initial findings of the investigation led by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, seemed to have huge implications.
Before Provincetown, health officials had been operating under the assumption that it was extraordinarily rare for a vaccinated person to become infected with the virus. And if they did, they probably wouldn't end up passing it on to others, such as children too young to qualify for the vaccine or people who were medically vulnerable. The idea that vaccines halt transmission of the virus was largely behind the CDC's decision in May suggesting vaccinated people could safely go without their masks indoors and in crowds, even if others were unvaccinated. But that assumption had been based on studies of earlier versions of the virus. Delta was known for its "hyper-transmissibility," or as one former White House adviser put it "COVID on steroids."
"What has changed is the virus," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert and Biden's chief medical adviser. When a vaccinated person gets infected with delta -- called a "breakthrough infection" -- "the level of virus in their nasopharynx is about 1,000 times higher than with the alpha variant," Fauci said in an interview Wednesday with MSNBC. All indications now are that the Provincetown outbreak investigation is among the pieces of new evidence behind the CDC's decision to ask Americans to once again put on their masks indoors, even if they are vaccinated.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102
July 29, 2021, 4:49 PM
8 min read
A week after the crowds descended upon Provincetown, Massachusetts, to celebrate the Fourth of July -- the holiday President Joe Biden hoped would mark the nation's liberation from COVID-19 -- the manager of the Cape Cod beach town said he was aware of "a handful of positive COVID cases among folks" who spent time there. "We are in touch with the Health Department and Outer Cape Health Services and are closely monitoring the data," Alex Morse told reporters. he announcement wasn't unusual with roughly half of the country still unvaccinated and flare-ups of the virus popping up in various states. But within weeks, health officials seemed to be on to something much bigger.
The outbreak quickly grew to the hundreds and most of them appeared to be vaccinated. As of Thursday, 882 people were tied to the Provincetown outbreak. Among those living in Massachusetts, 74% of them were fully immunized, yet officials said the vast majority were also reporting symptoms. Seven people were reported hospitalized. The initial findings of the investigation led by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, in conjunction with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, seemed to have huge implications.
Before Provincetown, health officials had been operating under the assumption that it was extraordinarily rare for a vaccinated person to become infected with the virus. And if they did, they probably wouldn't end up passing it on to others, such as children too young to qualify for the vaccine or people who were medically vulnerable. The idea that vaccines halt transmission of the virus was largely behind the CDC's decision in May suggesting vaccinated people could safely go without their masks indoors and in crowds, even if others were unvaccinated. But that assumption had been based on studies of earlier versions of the virus. Delta was known for its "hyper-transmissibility," or as one former White House adviser put it "COVID on steroids."
"What has changed is the virus," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's top infectious disease expert and Biden's chief medical adviser. When a vaccinated person gets infected with delta -- called a "breakthrough infection" -- "the level of virus in their nasopharynx is about 1,000 times higher than with the alpha variant," Fauci said in an interview Wednesday with MSNBC. All indications now are that the Provincetown outbreak investigation is among the pieces of new evidence behind the CDC's decision to ask Americans to once again put on their masks indoors, even if they are vaccinated.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cdc-mask-decision-stunning-findings-cape-cod-beach/story?id=79148102
When it comes to their study - they were probably waiting to continue to gather more data as I expect contact tracing is still ongoing, but decided to do an early release to get the info out there.
I have actually been to Cape Cod on a July 4th weekend and to Provincetown on July 4.
UMASS/Amherst is my alma mater and the summer before my senior year (almost 40 years ago), I was a new students program counselor that summer and that holiday weekend, a pile of us drove to Brewster (on the bay side of Cape Cod), and were in Provincetown for the fireworks, and to wander around what is a kitschy artsy shore town (which is also the correct ACTUAL landing spot for the Pilgrims before they headed north to Plymouth for a 2nd landing).
I can imagine what it was like there just a few weeks ago because I have been there, done that since it is an extremely popular place to go in summer, and particularly for the fireworks, and has also been a big destination spot for the LGBTQ community for decades.
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CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak were vaccinated [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
OP
reread my post I was clear. I said almost always stops severe illness or death with delta
mucifer
Jul 2021
#39
Those percentages would be meaningful if all the vaccinated were infected with the Delta variant.
NH Ethylene
Jul 2021
#97
In Illinois it's a few hundred people. They mostly have pre existing conditions and 6 million
mucifer
Jul 2021
#87
Thanks. In order to have "long haul" I'm assuming one would have to be symptomatic and pretty
Dream Girl
Jul 2021
#26
They seem to conflate people who were not hospitalized with "asymptotic" people, then they drag in
Dream Girl
Jul 2021
#106
This is a limited sub sample (nine cases) that can't be generalized without further research
Fiendish Thingy
Jul 2021
#43
Yes, in the Israel study, it seems like only 2 out of orginal 39 people developed true long COVID
LymphocyteLover
Jul 2021
#54
It's true."Those who are vaccinated did everything right, but some are going to go on to long-COVID"
PSPS
Jul 2021
#36
I am more concerned about others in the DU community who may accept your claims as facts. Nt
Fiendish Thingy
Jul 2021
#59
You should indeed provide support for claims that can cause unnecessary panic
FBaggins
Jul 2021
#144
Put on a mask? Wat does the have to do with anything. Someone posted that asymptotic
Dream Girl
Jul 2021
#103
In medical parlance, "long haul" is being called "PASC" (Post-Acute Sequalae of SARS-COV-2)
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
#107
If it was neutralized, how would it reproduce in the host at the same rate as in the unvaccinated?
JudyM
Jul 2021
#10
"211 people" - is now up to 882 total so far, with 653 (74%) fully vaccinated
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
#49
Yes, but those are the people who were most likely just the residents of Provincetown
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
#114
More here about 1000 times more contagious than the variant we dealt with earlier.
JudyM
Jul 2021
#7
"clear that the vaccines do work, as hoped, against severe illness and death"
IronLionZion
Jul 2021
#37
I'll stay masked and watch for announcement on boosters. Fact is that while science is doing a good
Hoyt
Jul 2021
#62
It really seems that it was foolhardy if not downright irresponsible for the CDC to change their
CentralMass
Jul 2021
#77
I'm among those that used my concept of common sense and continued to wear a mask.
CentralMass
Jul 2021
#86
The CDC Director promised to publish info for state, County, and local Health Departments
BumRushDaShow
Jul 2021
#91
When the CDC changed their guidelines on masks the other day I started wearing a mask again.
totodeinhere
Jul 2021
#105