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Fri Jul 30, 2021, 07:28 PM

Jul 2021

Henry Ford Health center. Their director of infectious contagion and prevention, Dr. Dennis Cunningham, states that asymptomatic people develop long haul covid symptoms months after infection.

The article says that it definitely does happen, but that no one knows why yet. One suggestion in the article is that, just like people with symptoms, the immune systems of the asymptomatic people also go into "overdrive" in reaction to the covid virus. They don't produce visible, noticeable symptoms, but the immune reaction causes internal organ and tissue inflammation that is not discovered until they get long covid symptoms from it months later, when the internal damage builds up.

The article says that this is a possible explanation for how it happens, but that studies are needed to confirm it. So they don't know exactly how, but they do know that it definitely happens.

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CDC study shows three-fourths of people infected in Massachusetts covid-19 outbreak were vaccinated [View all] BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 OP

Public Health Officials need to be clear on the message that vaccines stop mucifer Jul 2021 #1

Maybe, but I think there is a leap in your reasoning TimeToGo Jul 2021 #38

reread my post I was clear. I said almost always stops severe illness or death with delta mucifer Jul 2021 #39

Two weeks ago it was reported 79 fully vaccinated died in Mass womanofthehills Jul 2021 #75

Over 4 million fully vaccinated cannabis_flower Jul 2021 #84

Those percentages would be meaningful if all the vaccinated were infected with the Delta variant. NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #97

0.0019 percent Major Nikon Jul 2021 #85

In Illinois it's a few hundred people. They mostly have pre existing conditions and 6 million mucifer Jul 2021 #87

I was going by this line: TimeToGo Jul 2021 #102

just like the flu vaccine agingdem Jul 2021 #82

Fauci clarified this today in an NPR interview. wnylib Jul 2021 #89

I don't think "only" is accurate as to earlier variants - Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #99

I'm pretty sure that, before delta, Fauci wnylib Jul 2021 #104

Again. I'm pretty sure transmission is possible in breakthrough cases Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #108

I agree that many people do speak wnylib Jul 2021 #118

You do recall his early statements on masks, don't you? Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #119

And that the vaccines were developed for the ORIGINAL strain oldsoftie Jul 2021 #69

Long haul also can, and often does, occur in fully vaxed folks SheltieLover Jul 2021 #2

Really? First I've heard of this. Can you provide a link? Dream Girl Jul 2021 #5

Talk to OhioChick SheltieLover Jul 2021 #14

Thanks. In order to have "long haul" I'm assuming one would have to be symptomatic and pretty Dream Girl Jul 2021 #26

The way I understand it, SheltieLover Jul 2021 #28

Long haul COVID does occur in mild, even asymptomatic, cases. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #33

You are so right! Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #58

One of my friends in Provincetown, and a friend of his Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #66

Totally agree that people on DU are buying into wnylib Jul 2021 #100

They don't Rebl2 Jul 2021 #95

Thanks. You beat me to it, and from the same sources. wnylib Jul 2021 #98

They seem to conflate people who were not hospitalized with "asymptotic" people, then they drag in Dream Girl Jul 2021 #106

Check out the link at post #33 for the wnylib Jul 2021 #122

I appreciate the info hueymahl Jul 2021 #27

Pls talk to OhioChick SheltieLover Jul 2021 #29

So, no links? hueymahl Jul 2021 #31

OhioChick was very helpful with me when BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #88

Yes SheltieLover Jul 2021 #111

Oh no, I had no idea. BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #121

Yes. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #126

People should listen to her experiences BigmanPigman Jul 2021 #129

Read some of the pushback I've gotten on this thread. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #130

I appreciate your message and your efforts here SayitAintSo Aug 2021 #149

It's actually pretty easy to find doing a google search. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #34

Thank you!!! hueymahl Jul 2021 #35

This is a limited sub sample (nine cases) that can't be generalized without further research Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #43

Yes, in the Israel study, it seems like only 2 out of orginal 39 people developed true long COVID LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #54

I didn't make the claim it was often. Ms. Toad Jul 2021 #70

I heard a story on NPR the other dasy regarding this oldsoftie Jul 2021 #71

Read mstoad's #33. She cites the wnylib Jul 2021 #115

Thx Wyn. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #127

I didn't see that post. I don't know what that wnylib Jul 2021 #135

OMG! What a coincidence! wnylib Jul 2021 #139

Yup SheltieLover Aug 2021 #150

It's true."Those who are vaccinated did everything right, but some are going to go on to long-COVID" PSPS Jul 2021 #36

I was just going to post that -- here is the original article in NEJM LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #52

I have read this, too. I read so many studies wnylib Jul 2021 #90

Same here, Wyn. SheltieLover Aug 2021 #151

"often does"? LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #8

Pls see post #14 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #17

Also #36 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #48

19% in one study. NH Ethylene Jul 2021 #113

Thx! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #128

"Often" is a false statement. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #13

It most certainly is not SheltieLover Jul 2021 #16

Without proof, your assertion is worthless. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #18

Your choice SheltieLover Jul 2021 #19

Lord have mercy......... oldsoftie Jul 2021 #72

Please read all of post #4 here: SheltieLover Jul 2021 #21

Absolutely nothing in that post supports your assertion Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #40

You might have to search his tweets SheltieLover Jul 2021 #41

So, you refuse to retract your unsupported false statement? Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #44

It is not a false statement SheltieLover Jul 2021 #46

The plural of anecdote is not data Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #53

You are most welcome to ignore my posts, my friend SheltieLover Jul 2021 #57

I am more concerned about others in the DU community who may accept your claims as facts. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #59

I'd rather they think its more often than never nt oldsoftie Jul 2021 #73

Does "rarely" work for you? "Occasionally"? maxsolomon Jul 2021 #93

You should indeed provide support for claims that can cause unnecessary panic FBaggins Jul 2021 #144

Stop playing games. Just put on a mask for Pete's sake. Jakes Progress Jul 2021 #79

Put on a mask? Wat does the have to do with anything. Someone posted that asymptotic Dream Girl Jul 2021 #103

Read the thread. Jakes Progress Jul 2021 #143

this is bs Kali Jul 2021 #23

No, it is not. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #24

YOU made the claim, the burden of proof is on YOU Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #45

Read #36 SheltieLover Jul 2021 #47

Read #34 and #54 Fiendish Thingy Jul 2021 #56

you need to link to whatever it is you are claiming Kali Jul 2021 #123

I am not spreading lies SheltieLover Jul 2021 #125

no, when I see someone make unsubstantiated claims Kali Jul 2021 #131

Again, feel free to ignore my posts SheltieLover Jul 2021 #132

nah, I try to encourage accuracy when I see it isn't there Kali Jul 2021 #137

Once again, feel free to ignore my posts. SheltieLover Jul 2021 #138

In medical parlance, "long haul" is being called "PASC" (Post-Acute Sequalae of SARS-COV-2) BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #107

And many docs are telling patients "it's all in your head" SheltieLover Jul 2021 #116

From your cited study's origin BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #120

No doubt! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #124

Trump supporters not vaccinating allowed it to get this bad. Eliot Rosewater Jul 2021 #3

Even Hannity telling people every nite to get the shot oldsoftie Jul 2021 #78

Theory. roamer65 Jul 2021 #4

If it was neutralized, how would it reproduce in the host at the same rate as in the unvaccinated? JudyM Jul 2021 #10

Could just be the active replicating... roamer65 Jul 2021 #32

Has to invade cells in order to actively replicate. JudyM Jul 2021 #61

Good question. roamer65 Jul 2021 #63

Ha! Okay. JudyM Jul 2021 #64

Really good post by intrepidity. roamer65 Jul 2021 #65

Skimmed it, good info to read more later. JudyM Jul 2021 #83

211 people Deminpenn Jul 2021 #6

"what subset these 211 people belong"? LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #11

Of the total number of people cited in the study Deminpenn Jul 2021 #15

Sounds like they tested asymptomatic people too LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #22

There is zero reasons to believe those vaccinated patients are an exception. LisaL Jul 2021 #25

PCR tests cannot detect viral loads Deminpenn Jul 2021 #96

"211 people" - is now up to 882 total so far, with 653 (74%) fully vaccinated BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #49

No, the 211 people are the cohort on which the CDC based its guidance Deminpenn Jul 2021 #92

Yes, but those are the people who were most likely just the residents of Provincetown BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #114

Having read your link to the actual CDC study, Deminpenn Jul 2021 #140

Since research is continually on-going BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #142

More here about 1000 times more contagious than the variant we dealt with earlier. JudyM Jul 2021 #7

And more contagious than smallpox! SheltieLover Jul 2021 #20

Hard to tell how meaningful this is... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #9

there is a link to the WMMR article which gives a lot more details LymphocyteLover Jul 2021 #12

CDC is full of great people hueymahl Jul 2021 #30

Correct. By itself, the 3/4 figure is meaningless. You'd need to know... thesquanderer Jul 2021 #60

Did you actually look at the research link? BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #68

"clear that the vaccines do work, as hoped, against severe illness and death" IronLionZion Jul 2021 #37

Duh progressoid Jul 2021 #42

Well good that I'm still taking precautions here. Delta is Tadpole Raisin Jul 2021 #50

Hmmm...males who were fully vaccinated..... LeftInTX Jul 2021 #51

Apparently it's time for Pride parades in MA. LisaL Jul 2021 #55

Provincetown has always been a welcoming place and hangout BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #74

I'll stay masked and watch for announcement on boosters. Fact is that while science is doing a good Hoyt Jul 2021 #62

I know two people back home who got infected post-vaccination Phil the Kilibuster Jul 2021 #67

Howdy uppityperson Jul 2021 #133

Howdy right back atcha! Unless you mean CAPTAIN Howdy Phil the Kilibuster Aug 2021 #147

I'm very concerned about this, yikes nt LittleGirl Jul 2021 #76

It really seems that it was foolhardy if not downright irresponsible for the CDC to change their CentralMass Jul 2021 #77

That's it then. Cinnamonspice Jul 2021 #80

And what? What should I do with this information? Jon King Jul 2021 #81

I'm among those that used my concept of common sense and continued to wear a mask. CentralMass Jul 2021 #86

The CDC Director promised to publish info for state, County, and local Health Departments BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #91

CDC FAQs on PCR tests Deminpenn Jul 2021 #94

We are going off the deep end here, none died and only 4 were hospitalized Jon King Jul 2021 #101

You make some good points, however, totodeinhere Jul 2021 #109

Agree Deminpenn Jul 2021 #112

When the CDC changed their guidelines on masks the other day I started wearing a mask again. totodeinhere Jul 2021 #105

This message was self-deleted by its author bucolic_frolic Jul 2021 #110

This is very sobering.................. secondwind Jul 2021 #117

Vaccines are not a forcefield. They never were... TomCADem Jul 2021 #136

Key thing to remember Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2021 #134

If the viral load is the same between vaccinated and not vaccinated, then there is no reason to LisaL Jul 2021 #141

CDC Says New Mask Guidelines Informed by Cape Cod Outbreak mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2021 #145

There was another outbreak in Wisconsin which showed similar findings BumRushDaShow Jul 2021 #146

What's the definition of "high" and "low"? Deminpenn Aug 2021 #148

FDA publishes a reference standard for the current EUA-approved tests BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #154

Fine, but what's the "high" and "low" for this Deminpenn Aug 2021 #155

That's not how it correlates BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #156

Disagree here Deminpenn Aug 2021 #157

I figured you were going to try to argue BumRushDaShow Aug 2021 #158

Not surprising, been seeing this at work madville Aug 2021 #152

Good God. orangecrush Aug 2021 #153