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graham4anything

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28. peace and love to you always.
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 03:46 AM
Oct 2012

I don't admire anarchy.

as Mark Rudd (from the 1960s) has said and learned(not exact words)

what worked in the 60s is not the way to go in the 2010's.

you rebuild the parts you don't like from within, not from without

leaks are bad. Whether they be Valerie Plame or others.

As for Daniel Ellsberg? This is not the 1970s. This is today.

and this leaking stuff has the potential to bring down the entire internet into a vast silence.
(which then would lead to exactly what I am sure is not what someone pro-leak would want.)

Is that the "sounds of silence" those favoring the leaks wants?

I seriously doubt it.

By the way- V was just a movie with Natalie Portman and that great character actor Hugo.
It was NOT real. And in no way does that movie glorify anything in 2012. It was just a movie
where of course, in the movies, one roots for over the top things that may have actually happened in another place, another time, another world, but it is very odd

the vast majority who are pro-leaks shudder at the thought of having to get on an airline in safety, but have a machine make sure they are not carrying.
Something is wrong with that picture.

You want transparancy, but you don't want transparancy when entering an airline terminal and plane and would rather have secrecy in that as opposed to the assurance one may get to their destination safely, unlike say on 9/11.

again, this is not the old times.

we are living in a new world. And there are two choices (amazing prophetic in the 1960s tv farce...

we can have Kaos
or we can have Control

we cannot have anarchy which leads to Kaos.

Do you want all your personal emails to be revealed?(though if one has nothing to hide, there really is no reason for secrecy.)

But I would rather have safety.

and then through the criminal court system, those that abuse the law can be tried and if found guilty convicted

but that means one needs to obey the laws that are on the books

in the words of the old serenity canard

grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference

leaks are NOT a good thing.
changing laws enacted by Congress(NOT THE PRESIDENT) can be done in legal ways

(same as someday #2BOR will be re-interpreted humanely unlike the way it is now.)

Corrupt courts in time get replaced by good ones
Much as the Bush/Cheney admin. was retired and is never coming back, as long as people don't vote them back in.

(and as we know the two parties are NOT one and the same, if for no other reason than the ability to pick fantastic or fanatical justices-depending on who is doing the picking.


and I look forward. not backward.

in the words of #6
be seeing you in future posts in future arguments sometimes probably more than likely agreeing, sometimes not.

we agree to disagree or agree to agree. That is what an honest debate is suppose to be
.
peace and love to you always.

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traitors & anarchists want to take down the world. They all should be arrested. graham4anything Oct 2012 #1
Traitors? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #3
FORWARD means FORWARD.We are here to reelect Barack Obama not to delve in the past graham4anything Oct 2012 #4
The line between satire and fanaticism is so subtle... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #7
FORWARD. OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #9
Served! Thank you! - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #27
lol n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #11
FORWARD... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #19
You are a douche, plain and simple, and you make me ashamed that I have coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #25
peace and love to you always. graham4anything Oct 2012 #28
One giant rationalization for torture and crimes against humanity. I really coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #29
We can go backward to the 1850s with no rights for most, or forward to rights for all graham4anything Oct 2012 #30
.. > > lamp_shade Oct 2012 #2
I hate hackers, I don't care which "side" they are on. OKNancy Oct 2012 #5
What about torturers? Do you hate them no matter which "side" they are on? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #8
yup. I should have left it as that. They are the same as those that extort.We are trying to win graham4anything Oct 2012 #10
Actually you probably should have just left it, period. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #21
More like whistle blowers harun Oct 2012 #15
Thanks, Hissyspit. Solly Mack Oct 2012 #6
+1 Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #12
and to you Solly Mack Oct 2012 #13
I'm sure the people being detained are top notch saints of humanity... Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #14
If "enemy combatants" can be tortured, OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #16
ditto dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #17
double ditto Pharaoh Oct 2012 #18
How many were innocent? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #20
LOL - so does that make it alright? JonLP24 Oct 2012 #24
I have mixed feelings about this Wikileaks. They have done some good work, but some things... hrmjustin Oct 2012 #22
Thx Hissy. I always look forward to your posts U4ikLefty Oct 2012 #23
USA! USA! USA! :sarcasm: - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #26
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