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graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
30. We can go backward to the 1850s with no rights for most, or forward to rights for all
Fri Oct 26, 2012, 04:08 AM
Oct 2012

and there is a difference.

like the book says (and I don't mean this to sound cold)

don't sweat the small stuff, after all, it's all small stuff

To get to a better point C
one needs to get out of point A
and then it's a long hard road from B til we get to C

I am not belittling the crimes of the past administrations
but there is a far easier and longer lasting way than going back in a tit-for-tat situation

Nixon quit before any trials
Bill Clinton was impeached for nothing at all

to go back here, all that would happen is "they" would say it is revenge for Bill
"we" would say it is for a noble cause
there would be a split verdict

and if there were a jury trial, all it takes is ONE juror to stop a guilty vote
and if there was a guilty vote, all it takes is ONE minor mistake to have that overturned.

If you know your history, you might recall in the aftermath of the Iran/Contra and guns for hostages, and the entire situation there, a few people got jail time.

then (of all things) the ACLU famously got one of the main links to the entire happening off
on a technicality.
at which point he became a hero himself

if one cannot assure the correct outcome will happen, going backward and wasting valuable capital on what 1/2 the nation will percieve as a witchhunt, while the other 1/2 thinks it is a noble cause, will let the ones slip back into office and then do it again.

and 9-11 did happen. and real people did die.
and bad things happened to people who had nothing to do with 9-11

but look how long it took to bring Joe Paterno and Jerry Sandusky to justice into the minds of the public.(not the best example I realize)

but one doesn't resort to doing something instantly that will result or could result in the entire internet being silenced. Because that not be the outcome anyone on the side of "good" would want. But it could happen if we have internet anarchy.

IMHO.
(and I am not arguing you personally, or your feelings, or even the truth in what you are passionate about in any way.I might even agree with you, but I am arguing the bigger picture at this moment in history)

(remember, it took hundreds of years for things the founding fathers wrote, to actually happen, some never happened, and some of the founding fathers themselves did very, very bad things personally that were exact opposite their words they wrote(esp. Thomas Jefferson).

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traitors & anarchists want to take down the world. They all should be arrested. graham4anything Oct 2012 #1
Traitors? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #3
FORWARD means FORWARD.We are here to reelect Barack Obama not to delve in the past graham4anything Oct 2012 #4
The line between satire and fanaticism is so subtle... JackRiddler Oct 2012 #7
FORWARD. OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #9
Served! Thank you! - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #27
lol n/t 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #11
FORWARD... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #19
You are a douche, plain and simple, and you make me ashamed that I have coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #25
peace and love to you always. graham4anything Oct 2012 #28
One giant rationalization for torture and crimes against humanity. I really coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #29
We can go backward to the 1850s with no rights for most, or forward to rights for all graham4anything Oct 2012 #30
.. > > lamp_shade Oct 2012 #2
I hate hackers, I don't care which "side" they are on. OKNancy Oct 2012 #5
What about torturers? Do you hate them no matter which "side" they are on? JackRiddler Oct 2012 #8
yup. I should have left it as that. They are the same as those that extort.We are trying to win graham4anything Oct 2012 #10
Actually you probably should have just left it, period. Hissyspit Oct 2012 #21
More like whistle blowers harun Oct 2012 #15
Thanks, Hissyspit. Solly Mack Oct 2012 #6
+1 Soylent Brice Oct 2012 #12
and to you Solly Mack Oct 2012 #13
I'm sure the people being detained are top notch saints of humanity... Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #14
If "enemy combatants" can be tortured, OnyxCollie Oct 2012 #16
ditto dipsydoodle Oct 2012 #17
double ditto Pharaoh Oct 2012 #18
How many were innocent? Hissyspit Oct 2012 #20
LOL - so does that make it alright? JonLP24 Oct 2012 #24
I have mixed feelings about this Wikileaks. They have done some good work, but some things... hrmjustin Oct 2012 #22
Thx Hissy. I always look forward to your posts U4ikLefty Oct 2012 #23
USA! USA! USA! :sarcasm: - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #26
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