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The Jungle 1

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22. Can you hear me now

Sat Sep 25, 2021, 09:01 AM

Sep 2021

"They're practicing their culture and you need to get over it."
Well that is the age old issue and you are correct. But but but they are not doing things our way so it must be wrong! We should kill them.
Freedom means living your life however you want and it also means minding your own business!
For 20 years we told Afghan people how to live. Didn't work and it never has. Their army stood down in 11 days. Have we learned anything yet.
For people to call Native American culture barbaric is disturbing. It is also very surprising to see on this forum. Calling them barbaric is the reason we killed millions of Native Americans. It was a genocide. That is our history and no amount of soap will make it go away.
Fact: The Gray whale is not on the endangered species list. Neither are chickens or cows.

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as long as they use the same tools they used 500 yrs ago in keeping with ancestors nt msongs Sep 2021 #2

Yeah, no I still don't like it ... Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #4

Tools used 500 years ago prolong the pain and suffering of whales selected for hunting. Calista241 Sep 2021 #8

They don't, so I don't know where the appeal to "tradition" comes from. They are using boats with LT Barclay Sep 2021 #69

Good. H2O Man Sep 2021 #3

Just because you can hunt doesn't mean you should hunt OnlinePoker Sep 2021 #5

We can start with the "tradition" of colonization of Indigenous people. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #14

It's done and there's no going back from that. OnlinePoker Sep 2021 #15

Nothing is "done" about it. You won't take their culture. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #16

Can you hear me now The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #22

They're not commercial opportunists. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #24

It's extremely offensive to call them barbaric. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #25

Would it be barbaric Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #32

With all due respect... Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #53

The Makah did indeed take their territory from another tribe. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #89

There have been gaps in whaling of almost a generation at least twice. They've had to dig around to LT Barclay Sep 2021 #70

The laws are the same for everyone treestar Sep 2021 #75

Standing on top of a whale carcass Submariner Sep 2021 #6

Exactly Owl Sep 2021 #21

How Supreme of you to judge everyone else's culture. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #28

I spent a career speaking for those very few that can't defend themselves Submariner Sep 2021 #30

How "supreme" of you Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #33

Some cultural practices were brutal then and are brutal now and can be judged so. EX500rider Sep 2021 #45

Is any action justifiable if it can be defended as a "Cultural" practice? Happy Hoosier Sep 2021 #54

I was about to go with genital mutilation as well Sympthsical Oct 2021 #101

Some are more advanced treestar Sep 2021 #76

Yes nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #55

At what point in history did this tribe start "whooping and hollering?" Jose Garcia Oct 2021 #100

how do they use it in culture? onethatcares Sep 2021 #7

They use every part of it jmowreader Sep 2021 #11

thank you onethatcares Sep 2021 #18

Yes, it's done in the summer jmowreader Sep 2021 #43

I don't believe the Makah are allowing any outsiders on their Reservation, period. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #88

That was in the past. The last kill was not so and much of the meat rotted. LT Barclay Sep 2021 #71

How about other "ancient practices". Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #9

howabout howabout howabout howabout Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #17

Deflect if you can't answer the question radicalleft Sep 2021 #19

Well let me help with some of my stupid musings. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #23

The headline to your post is apt. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #38

You call it slaughter they call it culture. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #49

Funny Im vegan and I defend Indigenous rights to hunt/eat/exist as they chose. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #60

So. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #66

You have a low opinion of them. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #65

You do not want to have a reasonable conversation or answer a simple question. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #72

How is your diatribe reasonable? Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #74

Simple yes or no do you eat meat? The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #81

You are quite uniformed Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #96

Why? treestar Sep 2021 #77

Wow. Just so eloquent. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #34

It is indeed barbaric and disgusting. Owl Sep 2021 #27

are you a carnivore? Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #58

Wonder why no one will answer that question? The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #73

I will! I don't eat meat. Whaling is barbaric. It is not OK for ANYONE to do it. nt Coventina Sep 2021 #84

OK thanks for your answer The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #85

Yes, I think all animal "harvesting" i.e. slaughter should end. Coventina Sep 2021 #87

Why would you say that. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #91

You are defending "culture." Well, FGM is a cultural practice. Coventina Sep 2021 #93

Well um The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #94

The Jains have survived for thousands of years by Coventina Sep 2021 #95

We do have areas of agreement. The Jungle 1 Sep 2021 #97

I do agree we should bring back the natural predators. shrike3 Oct 2021 #105

Yes. Consuming a plentiful domestic animal specifically raised for meat is different shrike3 Oct 2021 #104

Men wanted for hazardous sea duty. Wolf Frankula Sep 2021 #10

When I lived in Whidbey Island, I learned a good bit about the Makah... SKKY Sep 2021 #12

Like it or not... caraher Sep 2021 #13

If you want to live in the past, forsake the present bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #20

this is their present culture. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #26

I think they are more capable than you do. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #35

It's. their. diet. They don't have to eat what settlers dictate they eat. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #39

"They don't have to eat what settlers dictate they eat." EX500rider Sep 2021 #46

they're colonists. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #47

Well since American tribes all came from Asia so are they. EX500rider Sep 2021 #50

No they didn't. They where here. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #57

There were here since their ancestors came over from Asia. EX500rider Sep 2021 #61

"There were here since their ancestors came over from Asia." jcmaine72 Sep 2021 #63

So they have starved for the last couple of decades? Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #64

Another treaty the U.S. was violating ripcord Sep 2021 #29

I don't think there's an essential use for whale oil anymore. JohnnyRingo Sep 2021 #31

you're wrong about that. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #41

Wrong about what? JohnnyRingo Sep 2021 #56

Nope. Not okay Mz Pip Sep 2021 #36

Like the culture of this Settler Colony called the USA? Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #40

So you're okay with this. Mz Pip Sep 2021 #62

Anything can be called a cultural or religious tradition. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #37

To the world's Hindus, my cheeseburger addiction would appear barbaric NickB79 Sep 2021 #42

The horns of a dilemma... brooklynite Sep 2021 #44

If only colonizers got upset about the Indigenous women murdered. Cobalt Violet Sep 2021 #48

So, as long as someone oppressed me, I can oppress someone else? brooklynite Sep 2021 #51

Ah. The straw man argument. Sure sign of having lost. Jakes Progress Sep 2021 #67

All this did before in the 90s MFM008 Sep 2021 #52

This thread brings me great joy GusBob Sep 2021 #59

Dead whales bring me no joy. Mosby Sep 2021 #92

I remember reading about this years ago, and Makah women said it was a man thing. betsuni Sep 2021 #68

Thanks for the insight. Nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #78

Live and let live. Steelrolled Sep 2021 #79

No. jeffreyi Sep 2021 #80

Nobody needs to hunt whales. Not even Native Americans leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #82

Humans do all sorts of cruel things in the name of culture XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #83

Kick nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #86

Kick nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #90

I hope the tribe members come to realize the cruelty of killing whales Mysterian Sep 2021 #98

Most of us don't have an issue with the killing of animals . Kaleva Oct 2021 #102

Mankind is rapidly depopulating the world of wildlife, including whales Mysterian Oct 2021 #103

Kick nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #99