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Marcuse

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44. We will see about that, but I'm interested in whether insurrection was raised in the deposition.
Wed Oct 20, 2021, 01:14 PM
Oct 2021
Trump’s defense lawyers have tried to make this a complicated question of constitutional law, but it’s simple. They claim that the freedom of speech that is the “backbone of all American liberties” is imperiled. It is not. The Supreme Court’s test for discerning what is advocacy and what is incitement to violence is so stringent that it let Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, off the hook. Although it is not required in an impeachment trial, even if we do apply the test, the results are clear: Trump incited insurrection.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/03/donald-trump-incited-capitol-attack-by-any-legal-test-column/4370622001/


If this was a court of law, does Trump cross the line?
It's quite rare that somebody can be convicted of incitement. In applying that to the president's speech at the rally, it's an agonisingly close case.
It's pretty goddamn imminent because he's telling people to march to the Capitol and I will march with you. There wouldn't be any time for better counsels to prevail because you're just going to leave the Ellipse and walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
He said we have to fight and show strength, but he also said we're very peacefully and patriotically going to ask, so he's covering himself. In the end, I think it's a jury question.
I'm not sure he's entitled to a dismissal of charges as a matter of law. There's some discussion that government leaders have more leeway, but I don't know how that would play out.
He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were ready to and intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.

]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437

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Trump will communicate his assessment of the deposition via a settlement offer. CincyDem Oct 2021 #1
Top shelf shade. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #2
Wow, I had a similar reaction. Nobody has thrown so deep shade with such class & professionalism. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #5
It was impressively diplomatic Leith Oct 2021 #7
That's a great statement. NH Ethylene Oct 2021 #10
This. I was impressed and entertained. n/t ms liberty Oct 2021 #11
+1000 llmart Oct 2021 #19
I was very impressed with that statement Hekate Oct 2021 #34
I know it is not standard procedure OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #3
Perhaps you missed the first word of this article. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2021 #6
Ahh... you are correct OldBaldy1701E Oct 2021 #32
Hmm... Mike Nelson Oct 2021 #4
He lies when his lips are moving, without conscience Hekate Oct 2021 #35
Trump's conduct azureblue Oct 2021 #8
in other words... he lied repeatedly and contradicted facts at every turn,...... getagrip_already Oct 2021 #17
his testimony probably look's like swiss cheese ? monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #24
😄 ... electric_blue68 Oct 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author electric_blue68 Oct 2021 #26
Ouch WHITT Oct 2021 #9
"The President was exactly how you would expect him to be, he answered questions the way you would e rpannier Oct 2021 #12
Based on footage from another deposition he did ecstatic Oct 2021 #22
Yes I am sure he has a standard performance for depositions that has worked for him in the past. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #30
Accent on whining. Champp Oct 2021 #29
fake investigation ! i'm a victim here ! I have executive privilege ! monkeyman1 Oct 2021 #13
And yet he got away without testifying when he was impeached the first time, because his Doodley Oct 2021 #14
The Senate never called on him to testify. former9thward Oct 2021 #27
Well, if its correct that lawyers grumpyduck Oct 2021 #15
Love to hear him referred to by the proper appellation: Mr. Ected Oct 2021 #16
over/under on true statements: 2 rurallib Oct 2021 #18
So all 45's minions need to do is to leak some sordid bits and 45 skips? I don't think so. marble falls Oct 2021 #20
Bwah! Blue Owl Oct 2021 #21
"Trump...conducted himself in a manner that you would expect Mr. Trump to conduct himself" LudwigPastorius Oct 2021 #23
Only four hours? sakabatou Oct 2021 #28
Yes, leaks of the contents of the deposition would be inappropriate. But the fact that the Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #31
"Dictor declined to characterize Trump's testimony" I'll characterize it: Trump FSogol Oct 2021 #33
Trump was Trump. twodogsbarking Oct 2021 #36
Re his Modus Operandi pattern, was the Defendant interrogated about his actions on January 6? Marcuse Oct 2021 #37
Why would he? brooklynite Oct 2021 #38
Didn't he? Marcuse Oct 2021 #39
What quote are you thinking he said? brooklynite Oct 2021 #41
We know he was asked about statements at rallies which could show a pattern of inciting violence. Marcuse Oct 2021 #42
Yes, those were the campaign rallies in 2016 which are documented. brooklynite Oct 2021 #43
We will see about that, but I'm interested in whether insurrection was raised in the deposition. Marcuse Oct 2021 #44
But THIS is not THAT case... brooklynite Oct 2021 #46
No doubt he tried to cover himself with a figleaf of peace on 1/6. Marcuse Oct 2021 #48
Unlikely. This case is about his security people assaulting ... Whiskeytide Oct 2021 #40
#42 above Marcuse Oct 2021 #45
It is possible. Habit is often difficult ... Whiskeytide Oct 2021 #47
We know he wouldn't brazenly admit. I'm guessing he would deny or plead the Fifth. Marcuse Oct 2021 #49
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