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In reply to the discussion: Trump testifies for over 4 hours in deposition about 2015 alleged assault at Trump Tower [View all]Marcuse
(9,047 posts)44. We will see about that, but I'm interested in whether insurrection was raised in the deposition.
Trumps defense lawyers have tried to make this a complicated question of constitutional law, but its simple. They claim that the freedom of speech that is the backbone of all American liberties is imperiled. It is not. The Supreme Courts test for discerning what is advocacy and what is incitement to violence is so stringent that it let Clarence Brandenburg, a Ku Klux Klan leader, off the hook. Although it is not required in an impeachment trial, even if we do apply the test, the results are clear: Trump incited insurrection.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/03/donald-trump-incited-capitol-attack-by-any-legal-test-column/4370622001/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/02/03/donald-trump-incited-capitol-attack-by-any-legal-test-column/4370622001/
If this was a court of law, does Trump cross the line?
It's quite rare that somebody can be convicted of incitement. In applying that to the president's speech at the rally, it's an agonisingly close case.
It's pretty goddamn imminent because he's telling people to march to the Capitol and I will march with you. There wouldn't be any time for better counsels to prevail because you're just going to leave the Ellipse and walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
He said we have to fight and show strength, but he also said we're very peacefully and patriotically going to ask, so he's covering himself. In the end, I think it's a jury question.
I'm not sure he's entitled to a dismissal of charges as a matter of law. There's some discussion that government leaders have more leeway, but I don't know how that would play out.
He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were ready to and intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.
]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437
It's quite rare that somebody can be convicted of incitement. In applying that to the president's speech at the rally, it's an agonisingly close case.
It's pretty goddamn imminent because he's telling people to march to the Capitol and I will march with you. There wouldn't be any time for better counsels to prevail because you're just going to leave the Ellipse and walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
He said we have to fight and show strength, but he also said we're very peacefully and patriotically going to ask, so he's covering himself. In the end, I think it's a jury question.
I'm not sure he's entitled to a dismissal of charges as a matter of law. There's some discussion that government leaders have more leeway, but I don't know how that would play out.
He clearly knew there were people in that crowd who were ready to and intended to be violent, and he certainly did nothing to discourage that. He not only did nothing to discourage it, he strongly hinted it should happen.
]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55640437
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Trump testifies for over 4 hours in deposition about 2015 alleged assault at Trump Tower [View all]
brooklynite
Oct 2021
OP
Trump will communicate his assessment of the deposition via a settlement offer.
CincyDem
Oct 2021
#1
Wow, I had a similar reaction. Nobody has thrown so deep shade with such class & professionalism. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Oct 2021
#5
in other words... he lied repeatedly and contradicted facts at every turn,......
getagrip_already
Oct 2021
#17
"The President was exactly how you would expect him to be, he answered questions the way you would e
rpannier
Oct 2021
#12
Yes I am sure he has a standard performance for depositions that has worked for him in the past.
Irish_Dem
Oct 2021
#30
And yet he got away without testifying when he was impeached the first time, because his
Doodley
Oct 2021
#14
So all 45's minions need to do is to leak some sordid bits and 45 skips? I don't think so.
marble falls
Oct 2021
#20
"Trump...conducted himself in a manner that you would expect Mr. Trump to conduct himself"
LudwigPastorius
Oct 2021
#23
Yes, leaks of the contents of the deposition would be inappropriate. But the fact that the
Scrivener7
Oct 2021
#31
Re his Modus Operandi pattern, was the Defendant interrogated about his actions on January 6?
Marcuse
Oct 2021
#37
We know he was asked about statements at rallies which could show a pattern of inciting violence.
Marcuse
Oct 2021
#42
We will see about that, but I'm interested in whether insurrection was raised in the deposition.
Marcuse
Oct 2021
#44
We know he wouldn't brazenly admit. I'm guessing he would deny or plead the Fifth.
Marcuse
Oct 2021
#49