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64. I don't get it. What's the point? The plan can't pass without his vote anyway.

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Wed Oct 20, 2021, 02:23 PM

Oct 2021

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SCOOP: Manchin Tells Associates He's Considering Leaving the Democratic Party and Has an Exit Plan [View all] demmiblue Oct 2021 OP

Thank you, Maine. deurbano Oct 2021 #1

I have trouble believing the polls were so wrong about Collins IronLionZion Oct 2021 #5

Remember this Phrase: Defund the Police. SmittyWerben Oct 2021 #21

An often misunderstood concept IronLionZion Oct 2021 #26

"If you're explaining, you're losing". nt oasis Oct 2021 #88

Explain that to our party IronLionZion Oct 2021 #97

It doesn't have to be explained... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #118

+100 nt ... reACTIONary Oct 2021 #117

Sad that is the world we live in 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #127

This was another meme laid on Dems by the right cilla4progress Oct 2021 #31

Exactly! 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #128

Two former GOP senators from Georgia would disagree. Nt Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #68

It didn't fwdthinkingdem Oct 2021 #84

I watched many ads run by rethugs telling folks the dems want to defund the police SmittyWerben Oct 2021 #105

Thats not why we loss seats... fwdthinkingdem Oct 2021 #122

Just like this sudden assault on school boards is new. 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #129

effective because we let 15000 unchallenged coordinated radio stations repeat it, many other lies certainot Oct 2021 #101

So what do you think happened? Polybius Oct 2021 #23

bad/lazy polling and possibly low turnout from our side IronLionZion Oct 2021 #28

Trump brought in a lot of non-voters who voted Republican down-ticket. Ace Rothstein Oct 2021 #44

I think you Aced that observation. mjvpi Oct 2021 #102

LOL. I see what you did there. Ace Rothstein Oct 2021 #104

Then why didn't they vote for him? Polybius Oct 2021 #130

From the horses mouth: NoNobigwick Oct 2021 #90

I'm not pushing anything. No matter what, he and his Arizona colleague are holding the will of deurbano Oct 2021 #103

Of course, but NoNobigwick Oct 2021 #114

I didn't suggest Manchin is leaving the party. I responded to that suggestion with three words that deurbano Oct 2021 #115

Damn! The man is drunk on his own power. Not a good American at all Walleye Oct 2021 #2

We're all weeping. rickyhall Oct 2021 #3

And give control of the Senate to Moscow Mitch IronLionZion Oct 2021 #4

I'm sure both he and his daughter did some criming. Time to prosecute if there were any of them. TheBlackAdder Oct 2021 #29

I don't know, are you referring to the Epipen debacle? FakeNoose Oct 2021 #83

That's a pretty sweet deal for her IronLionZion Oct 2021 #99

Evil motherfucker. (nt) Paladin Oct 2021 #6

And all so he can help to kill off the supportive capacity of the planet w/Fossil Fuels and Joe ... Botany Oct 2021 #7

He is enjoying all of this immensely. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #8

So the difference between Dem qazplm135 Oct 2021 #9

Remember, this is a 10-year figure. So, it's only $15B (2% of the military budget alone.) PSPS Oct 2021 #79

If you look at WV, him changing party would be the end of his political career rpannier Oct 2021 #108

Independent No one wants you packman Oct 2021 #10

I want him. He's the BEST we can hope for out of West Virginia. I'll TAKE IT!! TYVM! NurseJackie Oct 2021 #58

This! (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Oct 2021 #107

Disagreeing with Manchin is fine, but when it results in name-calling, etc. it becomes JohnSJ Oct 2021 #11

This: CrispyQ Oct 2021 #16

Well, I'm gagging on what I'd LIKE to call him, but I won't... hlthe2b Oct 2021 #25

It isn't what we express that particularly matters, but for those in Congress to face the political JohnSJ Oct 2021 #39

Why Doesn't He Just Change To REpub & Get It Over With Me. Oct 2021 #12

Because he has more power than he will ever have. This is the highlight of his political JohnSJ Oct 2021 #19

Why would you want that? Why encourage that? NurseJackie Oct 2021 #24

It's Not That I Want It Me. Oct 2021 #36

The over-the-top "Manchin-hate" is counterproductive. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #50

As I Said Me. Oct 2021 #57

I think encouraging Manchin to "get it over with" is a mistake... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #60

To Be Clear...Telling Manchin Anything Will Not Have Any Effect Me. Oct 2021 #61

People should be careful what they wish for... even when said in anger and frustration. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #69

If he changes, his political career is over hvn_nbr_2 Oct 2021 #106

Because he has to think about how many votes he got from Republicans 2Gingersnaps Oct 2021 #131

I'm not so politically astute as many/most here, but I saw this coming weeks ago, at least.. HUAJIAO Oct 2021 #13

I'm surprised to learn that he was ever a Democrat in the first place. Orrex Oct 2021 #14

I am surprised he didn't call it the Democrat party like the pukes do. pwb Oct 2021 #15

I hope that doesn't happen. If all other things stayed the same and WV elected a Republican... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #22

How can a Democrat who voted for him vote for him again if pwb Oct 2021 #32

I think you know the answer to that. It's West Virginia... a very red state. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #45

With a lot of very pissed off progressives in it that are enraged at the position we're in. r�is�n_dubh Oct 2021 #85

That's the excuse we keep saying fwdthinkingdem Oct 2021 #86

Yes he does. You may want to lose the majority in the Senate, but I suspect most Democrats JohnSJ Oct 2021 #35

I never said any such thing? pwb Oct 2021 #40

You said he doesn't belong in the Democratic party. What does that exactly mean? JohnSJ Oct 2021 #43

Did I say Democrat party? pwb Oct 2021 #51

You probably won't believe it, but that was a typing mistake on my part. I never use JohnSJ Oct 2021 #56

I believe you. pwb Oct 2021 #59

Thanks, and yes we do agree on that JohnSJ Oct 2021 #65

As an "Independent" will he caucus with the Democrats or the GOP? I wonder which Republican... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #17

Blackmail is a terrible thing... dlk Oct 2021 #18

If true, it means that much of Pres. Biden's agenda is DOA until at least early 2023 inwiththenew Oct 2021 #20

There is no way we win in 2022 if nothing gets done in the next year. Ace Rothstein Oct 2021 #48

as a poker player, sometimes you have to decide if someone is bluffing, or is just really stupid. unblock Oct 2021 #27

Likely bluffing IronLionZion Oct 2021 #37

I suspect you are right, because he will never have more power than he does now, but this early JohnSJ Oct 2021 #46

Good bye and good riddance. LogicFirst Oct 2021 #30

Really? Why? If he caucuses with the GOP, will you feel the same way? NurseJackie Oct 2021 #53

i will say this, though: if he's going to prevent biden from passing anything meaningful, unblock Oct 2021 #33

He'll be a nobody in a party of one C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #34

I say take the win at $1.75 cilla4progress Oct 2021 #38

No. Until we have at least a two seat majority in the Senate, we don't have that luxury JohnSJ Oct 2021 #47

But what are our options? cilla4progress Oct 2021 #76

The only part of your post I am in disagreement with is kissing him goodbye. We can't do that JohnSJ Oct 2021 #78

I see... cilla4progress Oct 2021 #82

Caucusing my ass. He'll join the overseers on the established corporate plantation kleptocracy. ancianita Oct 2021 #41

Leave the D Party? How will we ever know? Grins Oct 2021 #42

You will know when McConnell takes control of the Senate. How's that? NurseJackie Oct 2021 #55

How long has Mitch known about this? bucolic_frolic Oct 2021 #49

There moniss Oct 2021 #52

Just rumors, but Dawson Leery Oct 2021 #54

Seriously! hamsterjill Oct 2021 #73

Biden's "promise to bring people together" is fulfilled in the Build Back Better package muriel_volestrangler Oct 2021 #62

Manchin denies story mcar Oct 2021 #63

Everyone is gonna ignore you post. WhoWoodaKnew Oct 2021 #124

I know, sigh. mcar Oct 2021 #125

I don't get it. What's the point? The plan can't pass without his vote anyway. Raven123 Oct 2021 #64

He has no chance of winning again videohead5 Oct 2021 #66

That's sure a funny way to announce your retirement in 2024. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #67

Let him threaten. Mawspam2 Oct 2021 #70

Elsewhere online, I'm reading that what triggered this was the Sanders editorial... NurseJackie Oct 2021 #71

Depends on how you play it rpannier Oct 2021 #109

Hey Manchin defenders, explain to us again why he gives us a majority? Crowman2009 Oct 2021 #72

He doesn't give us a majority. He gives us an even 50/50 split. NurseJackie Oct 2021 #110

You need "Manchin defenders" to teach you to count to 50? FBaggins Oct 2021 #121

If true, OneCrazyDiamond Oct 2021 #74

From "The Hill": "Manchin on party switch: 'It's bull----'" JaneQPublic Oct 2021 #75

Me thinks he doth protest too much... BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #93

I really don't believe much of what he says. JaneQPublic Oct 2021 #94

At this point BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #98

Same with Sinema. (nt) JaneQPublic Oct 2021 #112

Too many idiots in government. Too many lies. Too much greed. n/t TeamProg Oct 2021 #77

Rat bastard. And this is all because of his personal wealth from coal. Vinca Oct 2021 #80

It's just a threat deizo Oct 2021 #81

Huh? BumRushDaShow Oct 2021 #96

When, and if that actually happens, I can safely relieve myself oasis Oct 2021 #87

Why is there two of these threads on the front page? LW1977 Oct 2021 #89

Been expecting this for a long time. sybylla Oct 2021 #91

Since he is already scuttling the entire Democratic agenda BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #92

Less than a year before the GOP retakes one or both houses TiberiusB Oct 2021 #113

You hit this one out of the park BlueIdaho Oct 2021 #119

Post removed Post removed Oct 2021 #95

Who do DownriverDem Oct 2021 #100

Hunh... LudwigPastorius Oct 2021 #111

On the Reidout, Corn is still sticking to his reporting LetMyPeopleVote Oct 2021 #116

I hope all Americans have an exit plan when the fascists take over for good. Doremus Oct 2021 #120

the repukes will take him for his vote but they will always hate him. Javaman Oct 2021 #123

I think by now we know this is bullshit Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2021 #126

Not entirely FBaggins Oct 2021 #132