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23. These aren't laws. These are standard practices.

Wed Dec 1, 2021, 06:51 PM

Dec 2021

And the standard practices are different in the movie industry. It's been this way since they were shooting Westerns in the 1930's. Every rule you hear about firearm safety is regularly and necessarily broken in the making of movies. Actors have been pointing guns at one another and pulling the trigger for longer than any of us have been alive. And there are standard practices that have worked for all that time to keep incidents like this from happening. For some reason those practices weren't followed on the Rust set, and it's not Baldwin's fault that he was handed something he was told was safe that actually wasn't.

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Alec Baldwin denies pulling trigger in 'Rust' shooting [View all] turbinetree Dec 2021 OP

That May Be A Hard Sell COL Mustard Dec 2021 #1

I suppose he might not of consciously pulled the trigger captain queeg Dec 2021 #2

Colt single action Army (replica) JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #24

Yeah, a semi-automatic pistol can have a hair trigger TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #72

A single action revolver Zeitghost Dec 2021 #86

Ah! The plot thickens TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #87

I still can't understand that Zeitghost Dec 2021 #88

I'm surprised their insurance policy doesn't ban it TexasBushwhacker Dec 2021 #89

An examination of the gun used will tell all. Aussie105 Dec 2021 #3

Love it how we all opine on events we read in the press bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #4

+1 OneCrazyDiamond Dec 2021 #13

Cowboy guns like Single Action Army revolvers all have hair triggers. JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #26

He has been sued by people on the set. former9thward Dec 2021 #69

Good luck Rebl2 Dec 2021 #5

Do you actually think he is guilty of murder? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2021 #17

Weeks go by and suddenly he says he didn't pull the trigger? NH Ethylene Dec 2021 #57

Not murder, but probably involuntary manslaughter FBaggins Dec 2021 #62

How could it not be? LiberalLovinLug Dec 2021 #68

I am assuming this was a single action, old west type revolver. Thomas Hurt Dec 2021 #6

I suppose it could have a very light trigger pull and he didn't consciously pull it. I had a doc03 Dec 2021 #14

You know how people accidentally shoot while cleaning their gun? JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #29

Ah, that makes sense, I've wondered about that. JudyM Dec 2021 #50

One explanation of the "it went off when they were cleaning it" - Auggy74 Dec 2021 #60

I don't know about practicing his quick draw, but JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 #61

+1 Lithos Dec 2021 #59

A forensic analysis of the gun will let the truth out here Lithos Dec 2021 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author sop Dec 2021 #7

From what I have been able to gather (and the reporting on this is poor) rsdsharp Dec 2021 #8

Reloaded ammunition relayerbob Dec 2021 #9

Why was this not birdographer Dec 2021 #10

Cue the internet experts ... 🙄 live love laugh Dec 2021 #11

Don't know why they're wasting their vast firearms knowledge on us. Paladin Dec 2021 #36

In the 80s I had a room mate who was really into guns. Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #12

He was holding the gun regardless of what he says he is responsible ripcord Dec 2021 #15

There were two people whose job explicitly Hav Dec 2021 #16

Other actors, including George Clooney have said they always check guns on sets ripcord Dec 2021 #18

Interesting. This contradicts everything everyone else has said everywhere. localroger Dec 2021 #22

He might have been breaking industry rules ripcord Dec 2021 #30

This is just not how it works localroger Dec 2021 #32

I agree rockfordfile Dec 2021 #54

Many movie sets probably follow different standards and rules Hav Dec 2021 #31

How exactly does a movie company absolve someone of a legal responsiblity? ripcord Dec 2021 #34

It was a movie Hav Dec 2021 #40

Anyone who handles a gun needs to know the basic safety rules. Kaleva Dec 2021 #47

The basic safety rule is, "the armorer said this gun is cold." That is all the actor needs to know. localroger Dec 2021 #48

No. One of the basic safety rules is to treat every gun like it's loaded. Kaleva Dec 2021 #51

As Mr. Bill asked, what if the script calls for a small child to pick up the gun? localroger Dec 2021 #56

Would Halyna Hutchins be alive today had Baldwin followed the very basic safety rules? Kaleva Dec 2021 #66

She would also be alive if localroger Dec 2021 #67

Hannah Guitterez didn't point the gun at someone and pull the trigger. Calista241 Dec 2021 #70

Guiterrez's job was to make sure that if the gun was pointed, that it would be safe localroger Dec 2021 #74

So you agree then that she'd still be alive had Baldwin followed the basic safety rules? Kaleva Dec 2021 #80

Well sure localroger Dec 2021 #81

Everyone with a gun is expected to follow basic safety rules. No exceptions. Kaleva Dec 2021 #82

Well, it's been a nice discussion, but I'm done localroger Dec 2021 #83

Hopefully, you, Baldwin and others have learned that gun safety is a seriour matter Kaleva Dec 2021 #85

What if you are shooting a scene where Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #55

I'd imagine they'd use a replica of a gun and not an actual gun Kaleva Dec 2021 #65

But if that replica gun looked just like a Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #76

Not if the replica didn't have any actual working parts Kaleva Dec 2021 #79

Nobody should hold a weapon unless they know the weapon. marie999 Dec 2021 #52

This is not the way it works on a movie set localroger Dec 2021 #20

So you can show me the exemption to safe gun handling laws the movie industry has? nt ripcord Dec 2021 #21

These aren't laws. These are standard practices. localroger Dec 2021 #23

What happened decades ago doesn't matter ripcord Dec 2021 #28

Then it's odd that nothing much changed after Brandon Lee's death localroger Dec 2021 #33

No one should make another movie that uses a real gun ripcord Dec 2021 #37

Well that isn't going to happen localroger Dec 2021 #39

Oh, and here's how it's done localroger Dec 2021 #41

CA has several legal exceptions for firearms used in movies sl8 Dec 2021 #35

CA has stricter firearm laws than most other states, making the exception more important localroger Dec 2021 #38

The awful truth is some of us are harboring suspicions that this horrific event was set up to, ShazamIam Dec 2021 #19

Yeah I had this theory as well. Initech Dec 2021 #27

The awful truth is that some would rather push conspiracy theories than say... Lancero Dec 2021 #42

I find the statement too much in conflict to address rationally. ShazamIam Dec 2021 #43

No, he's a idiot with a gun who got someone killed. Lancero Dec 2021 #44

I am going to have to wait for the indictments and a trial before I make a statement that bold. ShazamIam Dec 2021 #45

This is a batshit crazy theory. Calista241 Dec 2021 #71

All we have seen so far is reportes accounts and brief statement from the local Law folks. So which ShazamIam Dec 2021 #73

Mind control could have prevented Baldwin from following simple safety rules! Kaleva Dec 2021 #78

It could happen Marthe48 Dec 2021 #25

This is not going to end well. Lulu KC Dec 2021 #46

Not impossible sarisataka Dec 2021 #49

Even if he pulled the trigger I don't see it as murder captain queeg Dec 2021 #53

... Crepuscular Dec 2021 #63

I would agree it isn't murder sarisataka Dec 2021 #64

Few, if any, see it as murder but some do see it as negligence. Kaleva Dec 2021 #77

Then who the hell did? Can he not face what happened? Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #75

Nobody. LisaL Dec 2021 #84