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BumRushDaShow

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20. What kind of argument are you trying to make?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 02:26 PM
Dec 2021

A vaccine (Pfizer's) was only approved for EUA literally what will be a year ago, 5 days from today. From that time through to the end of February 2021, 2 more vaccines were approved under their own EUAs.

At that point, the whole vaccination process required actual production of enough doses to start distribution, and then prioritization of who could get one. So it wasn't until nearly the summer of 2021 when enough doses were available and the most vulnerable could even get one. And children under 16 were not eligible.

Then as of this past August, that same initial EUA-approved Pfizer vaccine finally gained approval of their BLA (Biologics License Application), although the other 2 have still not had their BLAs approved yet. Plus children 12 - 17 were finally approved under a EUA for Pfizer's vaccine.

So once a BLA was in hand, a "mandates" could be more legally enforceable for BLA-approved vaccines and that triggered the mandates for the federal government (including the military), meaning comply, get exemption, or face some designated penalty. But again, that didn't happen until after August of this year.

The mandates are meant to slow the spread of this virus at the source - those most likely to spread it, and put some teeth behind doing so. You will never capture everyone but as long as the transmission rate (R0) is below 1, you are ahead. And in the case of NYC, their initial "mandate" for city employees resulted in at least 91% compliance rate (which I believe a poster upthread was probably referring to), with those not submitting or qualifying for an exemption, put on unpaid leave. That NYC city employee mandate also came with agreements with the various unions to make it so.

So given that using a "mandate" for (city) government employees resulted in general success because it captured a subset of people who had not previously voluntarily received a vaccine, the next step was to mirror what Biden did - after requiring vaccines for federal employees first (with qualified exemptions taken into consideration), there was a move to mandates for private industry as the next step.

How that plays out in the court is up in the air for doing this federally, as they have upheld (including Sotomayor's neglecting to halt NYC's initial mandates) at the state/local levels. So what NYC is doing would actually provide a backstop to what DOL has in place for a federal mandate rule for businesses over 100 which may get thrown out in court. And given they are the largest city, by population, in the U.S., that is significant.

If your argument is that this is nothing but a "bold policy statement" then that is what you believe our Democratic President has done as well - nothing but "a bold policy statement".

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Doesn't NYC have a 95%+ vaccination rate as is? n/t Calista241 Dec 2021 #1
No BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #8
So J&J recipients that only were required to get one shot, now have to have two? MichMan Dec 2021 #2
They are targeting that last percent BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #5
How will this be enforced for independent contractors and the self employed? MichMan Dec 2021 #3
From another article, additional guidance is forthcoming for the smaller businesses BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #6
To combat the spread of omicron. OneCrazyDiamond Dec 2021 #4
Same as Delta PSPS Dec 2021 #9
Omicron is apparently a faster spreader than Dellta BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #11
The vaccines are more effective against delta. OneCrazyDiamond Dec 2021 #12
Fantastic! PTWB Dec 2021 #7
When do the proud boys show up with their guns to demand "freedumb?" PSPS Dec 2021 #10
Why does every mandate only apply to people with jobs ? MichMan Dec 2021 #13
Have you looked at how NYC is handling everyone else (phasing requirements in) BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #14
If those restrictions are effective, then there is no need for the latest announcement, is there? MichMan Dec 2021 #15
It would cover many who you claimed weren't covered BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #18
There is no discernable difference between "not being mandated" and "exempted from the mandate" MichMan Dec 2021 #19
What kind of argument are you trying to make? BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #20
Let me explain it point by point MichMan Dec 2021 #21
Let me address your points BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #22
How can you force someone without a job to get the vaccine? Polybius Dec 2021 #16
Are they getting unemployment or government assistance? Do they file city taxes ? MichMan Dec 2021 #17
Cross the border easily from Queens HockeyMom Dec 2021 #23
Depending on how bad any variant eventually gets (which I hope not at all) BumRushDaShow Dec 2021 #24
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