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happyslug

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51. Walk where? Thus the shelters
Tue Oct 30, 2012, 05:59 PM
Oct 2012

Yes, Atlantic City is small, but the area subject to Sandy is quite large, The General rule of thumb is 3 miles a hour walking, thus after 10 hours you can have gone no further then 30 miles (and most people go at slower pace so a much lower level of travel). Now, with today's fully mechanized army the US Army can travel From Barsa to Baghdad (400 miles) From March 20 to April 9, 2003. 15 day to move 400 miles or just over 26 miles per day. Now the US actually went through the desert, so the actual travel distance was longer (Closer to 600 miles) which would make it 40 miles per day.

These are high numbers, remember I am using AVERAGE miles per day, not what a unit can do, some units could have made the trip in one day, but that means arriving in Baghdad without supplies. It is a lot more difficult to haul the supplies to support an army then to move the actual troops. Thus 40 miles per day is FAST, it beat out the fastest offensive of more then 3 days (thus excluding Desert Storm of 1990) by almost twice the miles moved per day (This was 20 miles per day, the movement of the Red Chinese Army into Korea at the end of 1950 and into 1951, driving the US forces in front of it).

Thus the US has the equipment to move a lot of men, material and supplies, quickly, but it is tied in with the US Military and in New Jersey that is the New Jersey National Guard. I suspect the New Jersey National Guard could have pulled these people out, but that would mean a massive spending of money by Governor Christie, money he does NOT want to spend. Thus the issue is NOT that New Jersey did or did not have the means to evacuate these people, but that it was NOT willing to spend the money.

Side note: Desert Storm beats out the Chinese Intervention in Korea on a mile per day basis, but only if you ignore the build up during Desert Shield, and the six week air war before the ground war AND that the ground war lasted less then 100 hours (Which minimized re-supply and re-fueling requirements). Thus it is a bad comparison to the Chinese advance into Korea (Which also took some weeks to prepare but lasted weeks and months NOT days and hours).

Some maneuvers have also beat out the Chinese advance. The best example is the Soviet Maneuver of about 1986 in Siberia. In that war game the Soviet Red Army went the distance from Berlin to Lisbon in a week. That maneuver show how powerful the Red Army was, as the Soviet Union collapsed around it. The US did similar maneuvers, through NOT on the scale of the Soviet Maneuver. It later came out that the Soviet plans for War included not only a dash to Lisbon, but a the North Sea Attack aimed at Birmingham England, to divide Great Britain in half. By the middle 1990s, the Russian Army was barely able to re-take Moscow during the attempted takeover under Yeltsin, that is how far the mighty had fallen.

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So much for "let the States handle it". louis-t Oct 2012 #1
Privatize Xipe Totec Oct 2012 #5
No, you are totally wrong here.... Swede Atlanta Oct 2012 #6
I agree with you...these people had plenty of warning adigal Oct 2012 #12
No pets (or at least minimal) in FL shelters ... funkhowser1 Oct 2012 #28
I think I heard that in this case... AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #31
NJ and NYC shelters were taking pets obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #37
I agree, too - you want to stay, you take your life in your hands wordpix Oct 2012 #45
I want him to not lie about Atlantic City and the Mayor Actionman Oct 2012 #16
Post removed Post removed Oct 2012 #21
Wow did you read the article? CitizenPatriot Oct 2012 #24
That's right blame the victims now. Read the fucking article! lonestarnot Oct 2012 #27
Thanks for the information Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #35
He's gonna busy himself eating cake and playing guitar and whooping it up with buddies now, kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #2
Everyone high and low, Dem and Rep has said to evacuate, with good reason Aerows Oct 2012 #10
So you think first responders should die going in now? adigal Oct 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Aerows Oct 2012 #15
Hell no, and I never said that Aerows Oct 2012 #17
I'm sorry, I misunderstood nt adigal Oct 2012 #48
Aerows said the OPPOSITE of that obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #38
Not gonna hit on Christie for this, and he is right to be critical of Atlantic City's officials Mr.Turnip Oct 2012 #3
I agree Samjm Oct 2012 #7
Yep Aerows Oct 2012 #11
Totally agree. AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #30
Except that Christie is lying. Langford DID order the evacuation of Atlantic City days ago. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #43
I agree - he acted responsibly and backed our president to boot. TBF Oct 2012 #52
back side looks dry modrepub Oct 2012 #4
I agree with him Aerows Oct 2012 #8
Yep johnc411 Oct 2012 #22
And HOW was the Mayor to get the people out of the city??? happyslug Oct 2012 #25
Here's an idea: cancel school 2 days before the megasuperholyshitstorm makes landfall? AtheistCrusader Oct 2012 #29
Does the Mayor have that Authority? In most Cities he does NOT. happyslug Oct 2012 #49
You would think Christie would have sent some help in the form of buses...and all Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #36
I suspect it has less to do with race, then money. happyslug Oct 2012 #50
Except that Christie is lying. Langford DID order the evacuation of Atlantic City days ago. riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #44
Hurricane Sandy: Calm before storm in New Jersey QUALITYCONTRoll Oct 2012 #9
Check out the picture of brigantine? adigal Oct 2012 #14
You didn't hear Christy refuse to help Actionman Oct 2012 #18
No one ever refuses to help Aerows Oct 2012 #19
i heard chris this morning on the radio... madrchsod Oct 2012 #20
many don't drive or have resources to leave Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #39
Atlantic city only takes up 17 square miles, one could walk snooper2 Oct 2012 #47
Walk where? Thus the shelters happyslug Oct 2012 #51
He's absolutely right on this point. Zynx Oct 2012 #23
I keep thinking of an older lady I saw on the weekend news. AngryOldDem Oct 2012 #32
He is right. There are people who were told to evacuate, warned over and over, and still refused. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #26
No, He's Not Right RobinA Oct 2012 #33
He could have done better. Demsrule86 Oct 2012 #41
They are on their own obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #42
But what about those who were unable to heed the warnings? Brigid Oct 2012 #34
Mayor was on TODAY this morning - and was PISSED! hexola Oct 2012 #40
100% right on this - lynne Oct 2012 #46
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