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63. I'm just reading the law. It says "by force". This is not "by force."

Thu Jan 20, 2022, 10:11 PM

Jan 2022

the Oath Keepers was clearly seditious conspiracy because they had guns and plans to use them. the fake election documents is an attempt to defraud our democracy. Im not a lawyer but I don't think seditious conspiracy applies here because force was not used or planned.

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Breaking CNN: Rudy Giuliani oversaw fake electors plot in 7 states [View all] garybeck Jan 2022 OP

If there isn't a law against this we should get busy and pass one Walleye Jan 2022 #1

I think conspiracy to commit fraud should about cover it. colorado_ufo Jan 2022 #38

Sounds pretty solid to me Walleye Jan 2022 #39

If submitting the fraudulent reports of the non-electors was a crime, and it certainly was, TomSlick Jan 2022 #43

I hope they throw the book at him Walleye Jan 2022 #44

I hope he represents himself. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #50

I don't know if he will represent himself, but I DO know who won't pay for Rudy's lawyer. 70sEraVet Jan 2022 #71

Rudy should flip on #FailedCoupGuy. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #72

I'm Thinking Mail Fraud Should Be Tacked onto the litany of Potential Federal Charges The_Counsel Jan 2022 #74

Definitely. Walleye Jan 2022 #75

Well bless his little dark, corrupt heart. And to think we once admired you. after 9-11. Fooled us. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #2

Fooled me. I thought that he was lazy. Instead, he was a busy bee. NCjack Jan 2022 #45

I knew he was busy, just not a criminal. Like your tag line! Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #57

I was not one of them. I despised the jerk from the moment he announced, at a niyad Jan 2022 #47

most America didn't know any of that. I wish we had. MSM builds up and tears down. He was built up. Evolve Dammit Jan 2022 #55

Correct. Don and Rudy Are Two Peas in a Pod That Way. The_Counsel Jan 2022 #76

Somebody's going to jail...nt Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #3

Not here, there isn't. They'll all skate. PSPS Jan 2022 #5

Ugh. paleotn Jan 2022 #7

Has there been any indication that anyone will be arrested? Fullduplexxx Jan 2022 #11

Look up the Watergate timeline. paleotn Jan 2022 #13

this is the yr. people want justice against the republican's ! people want republican's jailed !! monkeyman1 Jan 2022 #46

There's a difference between realism and optimism. Preet was just on a podcast and he said dem4decades Jan 2022 #15

I haven't seen it, so it must not EXIST!!!!!!!! paleotn Jan 2022 #16

Do you know who Preet is? So you know better than him if a federal investigation is underway? dem4decades Jan 2022 #21

Wholly crap! He's an all knowing GOD!!!!!! paleotn Jan 2022 #23

the state investigation in MI was handed over to the feds. garybeck Jan 2022 #36

i don't care what Preet says garybeck Jan 2022 #37

So you think the DOJ is the only one that leaks? Has anybody fought a subpoena yet? dem4decades Jan 2022 #42

the AG from MI just sent it to them a few days ago, i wouldn't expect subpoenas already garybeck Jan 2022 #62

If Preet doesn't see it, HubertHeaver Jan 2022 #52

So you're saying there is no investigation? dem4decades Jan 2022 #54

How in the he77 do you conclude THAT? HubertHeaver Jan 2022 #61

Trump's last lawyer didn't skate, Roger Stone and Manafort didn't skate until Trump pardoned them Fiendish Thingy Jan 2022 #53

This is beginning to look like a CONSPIRACY! gibraltar72 Jan 2022 #4

A Seditious Conspiracy. sop Jan 2022 #12

i believe that requires the use of force garybeck Jan 2022 #20

Perhaps it was a part of the larger plot to disrupt the counting of legitimate electoral votes by sop Jan 2022 #26

A smart prosecutor would only make that argument if there was hard evidence onenote Jan 2022 #51

Killing a police officer in the US Capitol is use of force. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #59

Always was a seditious duck, cause walked and talked like a seditious duck for years. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #24

The MI AG said the fake electors there could face up to 19 yrs in prison. Rudy..you next?! PortTack Jan 2022 #6

some people here on DU seem to think it's not illegal garybeck Jan 2022 #8

New Mexico and one other state's phony electors duhneece Jan 2022 #22

Some people on DU or most places are not AGs of major States, so no matter. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #25

gawd i hope they press state charges.. samnsara Jan 2022 #48

And what were the Oath Keepers going for in the Congressional Parliamentarian's office on 1/6/21? Botany Jan 2022 #9

I remember that two women EndlessWire Jan 2022 #19

First the brownshirts had orders to detain the VP...if not already dealt with by The Mob. Alexander Of Assyria Jan 2022 #27

Rudy's the imbecile who cooked up the hare-brained schemes that got Trump impeached. sop Jan 2022 #10

Remember When That "Borat" Scene Was The Most Embarrassing Moment Of His Career? smb Jan 2022 #30

Rudy was in the room, but it was Eastman and the Kraken lady (Sydney Powell) FakeNoose Jan 2022 #32

In fairness, Giuliani could have thought this up himself. brooklynite Jan 2022 #14

Even if he thought it up, others participated in the conspiracy. And that's a crime. dem4decades Jan 2022 #17

I want this maniac off the streets! Cobalt Violet Jan 2022 #18

It seems that these people associated w/ the fake ballots Deuxcents Jan 2022 #28

Because they thought the coup ... NanceGreggs Jan 2022 #49

I would agree Deuxcents Jan 2022 #58

It was exposed over a year ago. The Trump WH informed everyone about it. Kaleva Jan 2022 #68

That's how I remembered it It was all exposed a year ago msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #81

America's Felon? NT cinematicdiversions Jan 2022 #29

Works for me. BigmanPigman Jan 2022 #34

No money for lawyers, Rudy needs to make a deal. sarcasmo Jan 2022 #31

Anerica's Mayor, Joinfortmill Jan 2022 #33

Okay can they now charge him with not only with conspiracy but how about.... turbinetree Jan 2022 #35

the issue i see with that is... "by force" garybeck Jan 2022 #40

I look at the word conspire and to in some sense levy a war.....they used a pen to conspire..... turbinetree Jan 2022 #41

"I only participated in the non-violent part of the coup" isn't going to work in a court of law. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #60

I'm just reading the law. It says "by force". This is not "by force." garybeck Jan 2022 #63

"I worked on the fraud part, not the killing police part." That won't fly either. L. Coyote Jan 2022 #66

WOW... myohmy2 Jan 2022 #56

. . . and Giuliani was arrested and hauled off in handcuffs? tclambert Jan 2022 #64

Thank You for posting...K and R..More to Come..(I think) ..Who will testify to verify? That is the Stuart G Jan 2022 #65

Giuliani is a black-hearted bastard, but give him credit Eyeball_Kid Jan 2022 #67

Rudy could spill the Goyas. twodogsbarking Jan 2022 #69

Operation FOUR SEASONS Kid Berwyn Jan 2022 #70

LOL +1 BlueWavePsych Jan 2022 #85

Just pull on Rudy's tail and he'll squeal like a pig ... :) ificandream Jan 2022 #73

Is this really breaking news? Could have sworn I watched most of this revealed in real time as it msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #77

What's "breaking" is people have squealed ificandream Jan 2022 #78

✔️ ✔️ ✔️ Thanks msfiddlestix Jan 2022 #79

Seditious Conspiracy Kid Berwyn Jan 2022 #82

K&R BlueWavePsych Jan 2022 #80

Rudy's going down. oasis Jan 2022 #83

No pardons this time. sarcasmo Jan 2022 #84