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94. I've always thought of the holocaust as eugenics and evil scapegoating
Wed Feb 2, 2022, 06:38 PM
Feb 2022

that resulted in genocide. Obviously there was a racial component because hitler wanted to eliminate anyone who wasn't his version of the "perfect" / pure white heterosexual person. However, prior to this controversy, I had never heard antisemitism described as racism, so I had never thought about it in that context. Keep in mind, this topic isn't covered in great detail in school. People are left to form their own conclusions. Your understanding may be common knowledge within specific communities, but how are people outside those communities supposed to know that without discussions (like the one we're having now)?

Also--if I say something incorrect, please correct me, and please don't assume that I'm coming from a hateful place. I respect, admire and am truly grateful for the Jewish community, who overwhelmingly stood up for and fought alongside African Americans during the civil rights movement and after.

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I agree, this is bullshit. It perverts what is commonly accepted meaning.... RussellCattle Feb 2022 #1
saying this was "white on white" crime dimiishes the true horror of it all Skittles Feb 2022 #3
How So? RobinA Feb 2022 #81
Ummm, nazis killed people they identified as Jews even if they had converted to Christianity. unblock Feb 2022 #8
race is a socially defined concept DBoon Feb 2022 #33
The nazis made more of it than Jews did prior, but Judaism has always been unblock Feb 2022 #39
My husband converted to Judaism years ago after grad school. He subsequently married a CTyankee Feb 2022 #55
Yes, conversion is a lot of work but certainly it can be done unblock Feb 2022 #56
Israel won't accept conversions other than Orthodox. cab67 Feb 2022 #111
Yeah Christianity sure makes it a whole lot easier unblock Feb 2022 #115
The Nazis even classified people according to how many Jewish grandparents they had! ShazzieB Feb 2022 #101
This whole discussion seems to ignore Hitler's push for eugenic purification... AntiFascist Feb 2022 #92
The current commonly accepted meaning of "race" is not really germane here. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #102
well, she does need to do some reflecting Skittles Feb 2022 #2
I respectfully disagree. Her comments were blown way out of proportion and Jonathan Greenblatt.... George II Feb 2022 #4
so.... the Holocaust was "two white groups" Skittles Feb 2022 #9
That's not what she said. Not even close. Did you see the opening segment of The View today? George II Feb 2022 #10
pretty close Skittles Feb 2022 #21
As I already pointed out, even Jonathan Greenblatt acknowledged what she said and accepted.... George II Feb 2022 #23
I'd still like to know WHY did she say these things? Skittles Feb 2022 #26
Watch yesterday's show, and then watch today's show. George II Feb 2022 #28
I see she admits now she should have said it was about inhumanity AND race Skittles Feb 2022 #37
You must take context into account. She is an African American LiberalLovinLug Feb 2022 #89
YES! RayStar Feb 2022 #114
I just watched the segment with Jonathan Greenblatt, and I thought it was great. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #98
Here you go. The entire segment gives the full context of the discussion, but her comments.... George II Feb 2022 #100
Thanks for this! ShazzieB Feb 2022 #103
You're welcome, and I truly appreciate the way you look at it. Thanks! George II Feb 2022 #105
Since when did Jewish become a race? Chicago1980 Feb 2022 #12
they were considered sub-human Skittles Feb 2022 #13
I thought she meant it was about religion. demigoddess Feb 2022 #85
The census counts Middle Eastern and North African people as white IronLionZion Feb 2022 #15
Why are you comparing the modern USA to Nazi Germany? Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2022 #17
We are considered a separate ethnicity elias7 Feb 2022 #52
So YOU can tell if a person is Jewish just walking past them? oldsoftie Feb 2022 #70
I went to school with a guy from a family that was far wealthier than they appeared. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #80
Only way I ever knew was a couple different ways; oldsoftie Feb 2022 #91
The point being that you can't rely solely on observation, right? BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #107
Ha! That would be MY brother as well! But they told us. oldsoftie Feb 2022 #110
A Jewish friend once corrected me that his religion is not a race. JohnnyRingo Feb 2022 #72
What Difference Does RobinA Feb 2022 #82
I agree PatSeg Feb 2022 #69
It was one of the most sincere, heartfelt apologies I've ever seen. It wasn't laced with.... George II Feb 2022 #71
Exactly PatSeg Feb 2022 #77
This! happy feet Feb 2022 #73
Interesting. Socal31 Feb 2022 #117
Wait. You are blaming JEWS for her suspension?! For something SHE said? Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #118
Woah there. Socal31 Feb 2022 #119
Woah there nothing. Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #120
This is just stupid. DURHAM D Feb 2022 #5
Probably not. Nor would a white woman. Anyone remember the years of Meghan McCain? George II Feb 2022 #11
Vividly!!! pazzyanne Feb 2022 #45
yes Skittles Feb 2022 #27
Wrong. DURHAM D Feb 2022 #29
WE would condemn them Skittles Feb 2022 #30
Agree. Black woman judged differently...and here by old white men doing the judging. Alexander Of Assyria Feb 2022 #63
She was suspended by Kim Godwin, the president of ABC News, who is African American MichMan Feb 2022 #96
I love Whoopi but I also have no problem with a 2-week suspension. unblock Feb 2022 #6
Her post-Colbert updated apology seemed a lot better. So it was a learning experience. thesquanderer Feb 2022 #7
I'm watching Don Lemon's show right now. Jonathan Greenblatt is on, and he seems to be.... George II Feb 2022 #14
They're doing this because Whoopi is a black woman. Complete bullshit. onecaliberal Feb 2022 #16
Exactly - an outspoken Black woman. They gave Meghan McCain free rein for several years. George II Feb 2022 #19
They're also fine with the little Nazi fucker spewing hate and death. onecaliberal Feb 2022 #20
the standard for repuke propagandists is really fucking low Skittles Feb 2022 #38
I abhor Whoopi's comments. Shame! Cozmo Feb 2022 #18
Kim is AA. DURHAM D Feb 2022 #22
Yes. She's been in that position for less than a year. I think she's trying to impress those.... George II Feb 2022 #62
Didn't she apologize on the air that same show? brush Feb 2022 #24
Well they sure put her in her place Etherealoc1 Feb 2022 #25
Lol. Mrs. "Not a rape rape" stuck her foot in her mouth again and got suspended? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #31
omg Hassin Bin Sober Skittles Feb 2022 #32
Race is a sociological concept, not a biological classification. jg10003 Feb 2022 #34
They, "HATE her" because she is... JoeOtterbein Feb 2022 #35
Yes. George II Feb 2022 #36
The major networks may be headed by racists against blacks? Would not be a shocker. Alexander Of Assyria Feb 2022 #65
Not a surprise when you realize what race owns the majority of these media companies. IHadToDoIt Feb 2022 #40
Go on. Tell us more. nt Carlitos Brigante Feb 2022 #41
and who do YOU think owns these media companies? Regardless, whatever the JohnSJ Feb 2022 #44
...there you are Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #47
Wonder who's sock it is. Mosby Feb 2022 #74
Mel Gibson? Or is Pat Buchanan still alive? nt Carlitos Brigante Feb 2022 #76
So your blaming who exactly for the antisemitism????? cinematicdiversions Feb 2022 #53
Please explain what you mean by "what race owns media companies." AZLD4Candidate Feb 2022 #88
She talked about her suspension when she appeared with Stephen Colbert last night: Rhiannon12866 Feb 2022 #42
Whoopi Covid+ can't qualify as LBN and now this cadoman Feb 2022 #43
What is LBN? ShazzieB Feb 2022 #106
latest breaking news cadoman Feb 2022 #116
When our precious Earth is in danger... JoeOtterbein Feb 2022 #46
Her remarks were bad and ahistorical. Behind the Aegis Feb 2022 #48
It amazes me that so many in this thread seem to ignore one of the basic premises of hitler's JohnSJ Feb 2022 #50
So Hitler RobinA Feb 2022 #83
Why don't you read a little history. JohnSJ Feb 2022 #86
"Now" is beside the point. ShazzieB Feb 2022 #109
I've always thought of the holocaust as eugenics and evil scapegoating ecstatic Feb 2022 #94
Of course it was about race. Ever hear the term "master race", herrenrasse? It was the concept JohnSJ Feb 2022 #49
When moniss Feb 2022 #51
... Solly Mack Feb 2022 #54
Post removed Post removed Feb 2022 #57
She's a moron RandiFan1290 Feb 2022 #58
Heaven forbid that Whoopi says something critical about Bernie. NurseJackie Feb 2022 #60
I like Whoopi JohnSJ Feb 2022 #61
+1000, and the mindless assumptions about Whoopi Nixie Feb 2022 #68
When was that, and the context? Even so, that makes her a "moron"? George II Feb 2022 #75
Not the first time she's said something questionable TexasBushwhacker Feb 2022 #59
Regarding the rapist Roman Polanski: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #87
And yet you've been using a graphic in your signature for years portraying a girl being tossed.... George II Feb 2022 #95
You know Frankenstein is a fictional character, yes? Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #112
Fictional violence against little girls is acceptable? George II Feb 2022 #113
Not to defend what Goldberg said, but Wednesdays Feb 2022 #64
What the actual fuck? PlanetBev Feb 2022 #66
Jonathan Greenblatt's response to Whoopi Goldberg's FIRST of three apologies. He also appeared.... George II Feb 2022 #67
Works for me n/t TexasBushwhacker Feb 2022 #93
Obviously, I'm tone deaf Jimbo S Feb 2022 #78
This presupposes that the Holocaust is and was defined as a campaign against Jews. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2022 #79
Somewhat ironic considering she chose Goldberg as a stage name, instead of using Johnson. MichMan Feb 2022 #84
The show should be cancelled already BradAllison Feb 2022 #90
I've never watched it, only seen clips... VarryOn Feb 2022 #97
It allows people who know jack shit about politics to pretend they're paying attention. n/m BradAllison Feb 2022 #108
Whoopi ignorantly misspoke and acknowledge it and apologized. LakeArenal Feb 2022 #99
It's a pattern Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2022 #104
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