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qallunat

(16 posts)
37. Interesting Discussion
Tue Feb 15, 2022, 12:04 PM
Feb 2022

Hi all. Canadian here. I live in Ottawa, FWIW, and work a few blocks South of the occupation. Many of us are of two minds about this. first, the Ottawa Police Service (OPS) has shown themselves to be either nothing more than thugs with guns or complete incompetents. As someone who has attended several protests in the city, I can confirm that the OPS are not shrinking violets when it comes to instigating violence in full riot gear if the protesters are racially diverse and peaceful.

Both Quebec City and Toronto managed to avoid paralysis of their cities. Collusion between the OPS and the convoy has been well-documented.

While it's deliciously ironic that protesters championing "freedom" have resulted in the the PM instituting what may be the potentially serious--this word is key for the moment-- abrogation of civil liberties since his father, some might say that several factors make this this an understandable response if you step back and view this situation as a country government faced with:

1. An occupation of the capital city and several sites critical for the economic functioning of the country. This is a form of sabotage and, if we consider that the mayor has caved into demands and allowed trucks to park in front of Parliament (think about the World trade Center for a moment), any country's security apparatus should be taking this situation seriously.

2. Let's throw into the mix, the fact that the occupation force has operational and intelligence support from members of several municipal and provincial police service members, as well as at least two members of our elite Special Forces unit (JTF2) and a few retired federal law-enforcement agents, including Trudeau's former head of security, and a pretty troubling picture emerges.

3. Several sitting parliamentarians have expressed sympathy for the stated goals of this occupation (one of which was the overturning of a fair democratic election- sound familiar?), plus the influx of substantial amounts of foreign funding and public support from foreign seditionists (Tucker Carlson and Ted cruz come immediately to mind) and we appear to have an international movement to destabilise a democratic government. Trudeau, as the head of that government, is invoking a law that seeks to fight a credible internal threat to the rule of law.

For the record, I did not, and never would vote for Justin Trudeau or any Liberal, but that is another discussion. Nonetheless, I think we need to frame this situation as, not a grassroots demonstration against government overreach on public health measures, but rather, as a trial balloon being floated to assess the viability of an approach to sedition and an interrogation of the amount of public support similarly motivated actions might have in the future. Worrying stuff!

On the other hand, though the motivations of the organizers may be in line with the national security/democracy in jeopardy frame, maybe the actual effect is just of a terrorist LARP that got out of control. I will say I know people in Ottawa who have been beaten for wearing masks, subjected to racist verbal attacks and some who are afraid to leave their apartments, to say nothing of the stress of the noise and exhaust fumes that have made living in the Market and downtown centre living hell.

If that is true, then the Emergencies Act is too much too soon because the OPS had the legal and logistiacl tools to deal with the situation and the citizens of Ottawa are entitled to know why they failed us. Invoking the Emergencies Act unecessarily puts our civil liberties at risk (the points above about government being able to cut off funding/freeze accounts of any protest group is especially worrying), just whitewashes a systemic rot in at least one municipal police force and hides the issue of accountability of our provincial and municipal leaders to the people they were elected to serve.

Anyway, just some thoughts. Gonna join the counter-protests this weeked.

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Just do it Deuxcents Feb 2022 #1
Awesome! Do the same here please Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #2
Canada cannot be held hostage forever. Do whatever it takes to end the bullshit dalton99a Feb 2022 #3
TY PM Trudeau!! Cha Feb 2022 #4
Too polite to arrest them? JCMach1 Feb 2022 #5
There have already been over 125 arrests in Ottawa alone, before today. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2022 #7
Freezing bank accounts? BlueIdaho Feb 2022 #6
sorry fascists, your social credit has reached its limit cadoman Feb 2022 #29
They should do that for every 1/6 insurrectionist already jailed or will be.... ificandream Feb 2022 #8
Wow, that would not go over here in the US. Nice idea! mysteryowl Feb 2022 #9
We have civil asset forfeiture here in the US. Dr. Strange Feb 2022 #36
Do Americans need auto insurance specifically for Canada? LiberalFighter Feb 2022 #10
LOOK ! / / /THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ! ABSOLUTELY / / / F'N WRONG ! ! ! / / / DesertGarden Feb 2022 #11
I'm with you Demobrat Feb 2022 #12
You do know that this is Canada, yes? niyad Feb 2022 #15
. . . You mean that notoriously liberal country to our north , ? DesertGarden Feb 2022 #18
Please quit screaming. And how do you suggest that the Cnadians deal with these niyad Feb 2022 #19
shoot them , put their heads on pikes and jail all their loved ones. DesertGarden Feb 2022 #21
But freezing their bank accounts causes you to scream? Fascinating. niyad Feb 2022 #26
The fact you cant recognize obvious sarcasm, telling , "fascinating" DesertGarden Feb 2022 #30
How about having a serious solution or just a conversation? BradAllison Feb 2022 #35
As in "it can't happen here"? Demobrat Feb 2022 #27
Nobody said that, but nice try. niyad Feb 2022 #28
You do know that this is Canada, yes? niyad Feb 2022 #13
Canada or not forthemiddle Feb 2022 #32
Don't equate "civil disobedience" with this astroturf nonsense. BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #14
For as long as I have been socially aware - the "others" have accused me of "support ' from SOROS DesertGarden Feb 2022 #20
I think we also need to learn how to differentiate "motive" BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #31
Mark my words, His action will EMPOWER the most dangerous in both our countries. DesertGarden Feb 2022 #34
Let me break this down BumRushDaShow Feb 2022 #38
I don't think Trump is likely to ever get access to the Canadian Emergency Act PurgedVoter Feb 2022 #16
Thanks - DesertGarden Feb 2022 #22
Thanks - DesertGarden Feb 2022 #23
When you consider that police have dropped drugs into peoples cars, this power is even local PurgedVoter Feb 2022 #24
I appreciate your post's viewpoint. mysteryowl Feb 2022 #17
Seize your bank account with no court order? No thanks. EX500rider Feb 2022 #25
Long experience has shown that fascism must be killed before it multiplies Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #33
Interesting Discussion qallunat Feb 2022 #37
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