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In reply to the discussion: Exclusive: Top House Democrat Unveils Plan to Beat Back Progressive Rebellion [View all]ancianita
(43,178 posts)115. Nope. I'll assume you used all caps for EMphasis and not yelling.
We saw these headlines on DU after Biden won enough delegates for the party nomination convention. That was in June. In July, he and Sanders put together a task force to develop the party platform.
https://www.vox.com/21317850/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-task-forces-progressive-agenda
While the Biden and Sanders teams may have started out in more agreement on climate, there was a clearly differing view on health care, with Sanders supporters in favor of Medicare-for-all and Bidens campaign favoring a public option. And on issues like this and criminal justice the campaign didnt move as far left.
Though we have disagreements, I believe weve come together with something that reflects the average of where we stand and allows us to fight for a health care policy that would extend health care for millions of people, said Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, a single-payer advocate who was a Sanders pick for the health care task force.
I feel they made a constructive contribution to that end, said Chris Jennings, who was a health care policy adviser during the Obama administration and was a Biden pick for the health care task force. I do believe the outcome is a stronger product and a more unified party.
Though we have disagreements, I believe weve come together with something that reflects the average of where we stand and allows us to fight for a health care policy that would extend health care for millions of people, said Dr. Abdul El-Sayed, a single-payer advocate who was a Sanders pick for the health care task force.
I feel they made a constructive contribution to that end, said Chris Jennings, who was a health care policy adviser during the Obama administration and was a Biden pick for the health care task force. I do believe the outcome is a stronger product and a more unified party.
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/08/889189235/democratic-task-forces-deliver-biden-a-blueprint-for-a-progressive-presidency
"I commend the Task Forces for their service and helping build a bold, transformative platform for our party and for our country," Biden said in a statement on Wednesday. "And I am deeply grateful to Senator Sanders for working together to unite our party, and deliver real, lasting change for generations to come...
The task force also called on Biden to pursue requiring employers to offer employees the option to sign up for government-administered health care, rather than company plans.
Jayapal thinks the report can help sell onetime Sanders-backers on Biden.
"I feel like I can go and legitimately sell this as something that the movement achieved, something that we were able to do that pushed Vice President Biden further than he has been and solidified the need for universal, high-quality, low-cost coverage for everybody provided through public providers, not private insurance companies," she said...
Sanders hopes this document will get more progressives excited about the goals, not just the existence, of a Biden administration. "When I talked to Joe a while back, he said that he wants to be the most progressive president since FDR," Sanders said. "Do I believe that Biden believes that now is the time for bold action to protect the working class and lower-income people in this country? Yes, I do believe that's the case."
The task force also called on Biden to pursue requiring employers to offer employees the option to sign up for government-administered health care, rather than company plans.
Jayapal thinks the report can help sell onetime Sanders-backers on Biden.
"I feel like I can go and legitimately sell this as something that the movement achieved, something that we were able to do that pushed Vice President Biden further than he has been and solidified the need for universal, high-quality, low-cost coverage for everybody provided through public providers, not private insurance companies," she said...
Sanders hopes this document will get more progressives excited about the goals, not just the existence, of a Biden administration. "When I talked to Joe a while back, he said that he wants to be the most progressive president since FDR," Sanders said. "Do I believe that Biden believes that now is the time for bold action to protect the working class and lower-income people in this country? Yes, I do believe that's the case."
Note that nowhere in media did the word populism come up. It did come up in media about Trump, though.
These statements from Biden, Sanders, and their people do not show populism, which tends toward rule of men and grievance campaigning. That's what Trump did.
I remember the outcome of the Biden and Sanders' campaigns as moving toward unity, not uniformity, and in no way coming out of populism. And you'd be more credible about calling me "WRONG" if you were to include linked proof.
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Exclusive: Top House Democrat Unveils Plan to Beat Back Progressive Rebellion [View all]
ificandream
Feb 2022
OP
Exactly right...their priorities were completely screwed up. Renaming schools and doing nothing
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#117
That is similar. But in college I read a short story that I was surprised to see was authored by
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#155
What I would like to know is why does Mark Kelly have a progressive challenger in the primary?
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#156
Our young progressives have fire and know how to fight back. They don't go along to get along.
Autumn
Feb 2022
#146
There is no evidence that this is the case. However, there is evidence that many if not most
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#157
What? You think these Reps and Senators in their 60's to 80's are going to be there forever?
Autumn
Feb 2022
#167
Nope but you live in a future you somehow think will happen. I live in the present ...I am worried
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#183
"we don't need someone coming along and messing things up, perhaps even losing it by primarying
KPN
Feb 2022
#36
No one...should be challenging an incumbent this year. This is a midterm and we need to try to
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#158
I disagree when applying that thinking universally. And I'm okay with challengers in some strongly
KPN
Feb 2022
#185
All three of those were challengers to incumbents. I donated to two of them. They won and
ancianita
Feb 2022
#86
"They don't know us and they don't care to know us" listening to anyone else is out of the question
betsuni
Feb 2022
#194
So why is Jefferies concerned about Progressive's running in primaries if it's the Centrist's
jalan48
Feb 2022
#10
If more progressive candidates can win in deep blue districts what's the issue?
jalan48
Feb 2022
#30
The way I see it individual's run for office with differing opinions on the issues. Letting the
jalan48
Feb 2022
#39
The way I see it is we desperately need to hold the house and senate for judges and everything
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#118
Only if they can win elections. I tell you at this moment AOC would not win a primary in New York.
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#164
And that in a nutshell is the problem. Howard Dean match districts/states with candidates and he was
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#165
Maybe it's really about money and not offending/losing big, more conservative donors.
jalan48
Feb 2022
#44
Would you please name one conservative donor besides Big fossil donors? Because we have
ancianita
Feb 2022
#47
He doesn't want to lose . And no doubt, the Gop will try to pick the primary candidate sure to lose.
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#109
Texas is not deep blue in any district OK? We should primary no one this year...it is
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#116
I just helped elect Shontel Brown ...a Democrat and defeated Hillary/Democrat hating Nina Turner.
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#166
In many of those primaries Republicans can vote and help field a Democratic candidate they know will
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#119
Primaries weaken incumbents...it also costs money that could be spent on the general. I do not
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#160
I am sorry. I am truly pissed that Mark Kelly faces a progressive challanger who might weaken
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#180
81 million showed up to tell America that they want the progressive Biden-Harris package.
ancianita
Feb 2022
#34
Right? We haven't, so why do people here put 'standalones' out as a viable option for Progressives.
ancianita
Feb 2022
#58
It is a 50 50 Senate. Perhaps they should adjust their expectations. And how does primarying
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#161
They did. They ran as Bernie type progressives. Bernie's & Biden's transition teams collaborated
ancianita
Feb 2022
#93
Thank you for your on-the-ground history of in-party dynamics. It's eye-opening.
ancianita
Feb 2022
#136
Not according to Bernie. Of COURSE Biden didn't run as a populist. Trump did.
ancianita
Feb 2022
#106
Biden did not run as a Bernie Sanders type progressive. Why would he? Sanders lost the primary.
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#162
What exactly is a "Bernie type progressive"? As for the transition teams collaborating...
George II
Feb 2022
#169
I'm not arguing what a progressive is by who was progressive. I only care that progressives,
ancianita
Feb 2022
#200
No. I haven't seen evidence of their doing so. Unless you can link their doing so,
ancianita
Feb 2022
#216
But your calling "attempts to stifle criticism of their "branding" as *denial* is the perfect view
ancianita
Feb 2022
#221
I want what you say to be true. But it isn't. We can barely field a majority in the House and Senate
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#121
Fine. I get your fair points. Just remember that current progressives were seen the same way
ancianita
Feb 2022
#124
I think Fetterman is a great candidate. Like Biden he can attract moderate voters and talk
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#163
If there is no progress people don't show up to vote. One would think that's obvious.
Autumn
Feb 2022
#33
IF? Are you trying to say there's been no progess from this Biden-Harris administration?
ancianita
Feb 2022
#35
Then you win those elections that can be won, and accept that we won't get everything we want...and
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#168
Progressives are the future. It's their world I can't wait to see them in charge.
Autumn
Feb 2022
#147
I don't see that happening anytime soon, and the GOP can stop it if they continue to win.
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#170
It's up to Dems to make sure the GOP doesn't win. A lot of young voters out there. Dems need to
Autumn
Feb 2022
#173
You can't the stop the GOP if you can't win in red and purple districts...thus you must field
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#182
(cough cough) Hakeem Jeffries has been a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus for years.
George II
Feb 2022
#192
A member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus is "putting Progressives in their place"
betsuni
Feb 2022
#195
If the progressive candidates win say the Texas primary and other places, can they win the General?
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#107
We have to win...everytime a GOP wins we get dragged further to the right...and honestly there is
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#172
I hope this brings to light the truth of Waleed Shahid, Max Berger, Zac Exley & Saikat Chakrabarti's
Budi
Feb 2022
#14
I guess being a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus makes him a centrist...
George II
Feb 2022
#191
Exactly. The truth of their purpose is in the Party they challenge & the Party they never touch.
Budi
Feb 2022
#63
Huh? So McAuliffe wasn't to the left enough so voters chose a candidate to the RIGHT of him?
George II
Feb 2022
#85
Oh, please. Phony baloney. The party SUPPORTS INCUMBENTS as a matter of princple.
Hortensis
Feb 2022
#77
I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything that said Team Blue PAC has a "Plan to Beat Back
George II
Feb 2022
#79
Yep. Where this "Progressive Rebellion" characterization comes in sounds weird, even suspect.
ancianita
Feb 2022
#87
Are you familiar with groups like Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, Courage to Change?
George II
Feb 2022
#88
You're welcome. They've been going after incumbent Democrats since the were established...
George II
Feb 2022
#206
So is everyone here also familiar with the DCCC blacklist? Can you explain why progressive PACs'
ancianita
Feb 2022
#207
Where is the evidence of corruption? How do people employed by corporations or other industries
betsuni
Feb 2022
#208
Of course that's always the justification for Citizens United and altruistic donations through
ancianita
Feb 2022
#211
So what do you have to say about Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress (same founders)....
George II
Feb 2022
#96
I hate to break it to you but you are not part of a majority. It was moderates that gave us the
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#175
We can progress with moderates but can't if we nominate those who lose the election
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#112
Hakeen Jeffries is a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and he's an ACTIVE member.....
George II
Feb 2022
#97
It's hilarious when JDs get hysterical about Democrats raising money to beat Republicans.
betsuni
Feb 2022
#104
What egos, eh? Team Blue PAC isn't "targeting JD candidates", they're SUPPORTING INCUMBENT...
George II
Feb 2022
#188
"Targeting" them -- always the victim of the big bad establishment out to get them, poor dears.
betsuni
Feb 2022
#197
Left of Center? Their stated goal is to takeover the Dem Party from within. That They are not Democr
Budi
Feb 2022
#145
We have to win elections...and consider that why would the Democratic Majority want more
Demsrule86
Feb 2022
#176
"Why are members of the hard-left targeting progressive members of Congress, and then trying
betsuni
Feb 2022
#148
the brainchild of Zack Exley, founder of Brand New Congress and Justice Democrats.
LetMyPeopleVote
Oct 2022
#233
By fighting off "progressives" the party is writing off the people who should be our base
Withywindle
Feb 2022
#225
I guess I'll probably get alerted on for this, but I have to spot a pattern
Withywindle
Feb 2022
#226
Just about everyone calling for forgiving student debt knows that Biden can't...
George II
Feb 2022
#227