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In reply to the discussion: Ohio university pays out $400,000 to Christian professor 'for violating his First Amendment Rights' [View all]melm00se
(5,186 posts)41. A few comments
1. the department head screwed the pooch for the school.
Comments like
Christians are primarily motivated out of fear and should be banned from teaching courses
regarding that religion.
presence of religion in higher education is counterproductive.
are clearly discriminatory on the basis of religion which is a protected class.
See page 4 of the opinion.
2. The university provost didn't help the school's case either.
The Shawnee State faculty union filed a grievance against the university on behalf of Meriweather and at the hearing the provost "repeatedly interrupted the representative and made clear that he would not discuss the academic freedom and religious discrimination aspects of the case". Additionally the provost "openly laughed" and was "so hostile that the union representative was not able to present the grievance." Not surprisingly, the provost denied the grievance. See page 8 of the ruling.
3. Neither did the Shawnee States Labor Relations Director and General Counsel:
The officials agreed with the union that Meriwethers conduct had not created a hostile
educational environment....But they recommended ruling against Meriwether anyway.
So, in essence, they agreed that Meriweather did not create a hostile environment but was going to punished for it anyway.
HUH???
I would suggest picking up the ruling at page 10 which details prior precedent for 1st Amendment cases.
To be fair, the University did raise some counter-arguments but it appears that whoever did this failed basic civics classes as it relates to the roles of the Supreme Court and inferior courts (or, in other words, who runs the show when it comes to rulings).
I really would suggest that anyone interested in commenting on this case actually read the ruling it is only 32 pages long and is fairly easy to read.
https://adflegal.org/sites/default/files/2021-03/Meriwether-v-The-Trustees-Shawnee-State-University-6th-Circuit-Opinion.pdf
But I doubt most will because it runs counter to their own sincerely held beliefs and because Prof. Meriweather is a Christian he is not and should not be afforded any constitutional protection as it does not fit into their narrative.
Comments like
Christians are primarily motivated out of fear and should be banned from teaching courses
regarding that religion.
presence of religion in higher education is counterproductive.
are clearly discriminatory on the basis of religion which is a protected class.
See page 4 of the opinion.
2. The university provost didn't help the school's case either.
The Shawnee State faculty union filed a grievance against the university on behalf of Meriweather and at the hearing the provost "repeatedly interrupted the representative and made clear that he would not discuss the academic freedom and religious discrimination aspects of the case". Additionally the provost "openly laughed" and was "so hostile that the union representative was not able to present the grievance." Not surprisingly, the provost denied the grievance. See page 8 of the ruling.
3. Neither did the Shawnee States Labor Relations Director and General Counsel:
The officials agreed with the union that Meriwethers conduct had not created a hostile
educational environment....But they recommended ruling against Meriwether anyway.
So, in essence, they agreed that Meriweather did not create a hostile environment but was going to punished for it anyway.
HUH???
I would suggest picking up the ruling at page 10 which details prior precedent for 1st Amendment cases.
To be fair, the University did raise some counter-arguments but it appears that whoever did this failed basic civics classes as it relates to the roles of the Supreme Court and inferior courts (or, in other words, who runs the show when it comes to rulings).
I really would suggest that anyone interested in commenting on this case actually read the ruling it is only 32 pages long and is fairly easy to read.
https://adflegal.org/sites/default/files/2021-03/Meriwether-v-The-Trustees-Shawnee-State-University-6th-Circuit-Opinion.pdf
But I doubt most will because it runs counter to their own sincerely held beliefs and because Prof. Meriweather is a Christian he is not and should not be afforded any constitutional protection as it does not fit into their narrative.
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Ohio university pays out $400,000 to Christian professor 'for violating his First Amendment Rights' [View all]
ripcord
Apr 2022
OP
The student has every right to express their gender and no legal right to require anyone else to.
brooklynite
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"rules set by your employer are something right along the lines of "a condition of employment."
brooklynite
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It amazes me that issues like these have a $$ value. The issue about pronouns
walkingman
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Alliance Defending Freedom, a far right religious group that looks for anti-trans fights
NullTuples
Apr 2022
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Maybe you didn't research the story as much as I did. I read several different articles about it.
Jetheels
Apr 2022
#12
"I know a few trans people. They don't really care about pronouns" -- lolololololol
obamanut2012
Apr 2022
#19
I never said I was trans. And btw trans people are not the only people misgendered.
Jetheels
Apr 2022
#43
I don't know if the University had any policies written down about addressing students with
Jetheels
Apr 2022
#22
So, the trans student is trying to control the bigoted Christian professor
obamanut2012
Apr 2022
#20
You know the old meme about sailing on a rocket right past the point?
IngridsLittleAngel
Apr 2022
#67
The school didn't have listening devices in the classroom and decide on its own to take action.
FBaggins
Apr 2022
#69
Why isn't the student then suing the professor and the school for settling?
rkleinberger
Apr 2022
#36
Right. You have a right to your religion and I have a right to be free of your religion.
Novara
Apr 2022
#33
So why cannot the student sue the Professor directly for violating their freedom of expression....
rkleinberger
Apr 2022
#35