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hunter

(40,701 posts)
19. Natural gas will destroy what's left of our natural world.
Tue Apr 19, 2022, 11:18 PM
Apr 2022

Coal is worse.

We idiot humans have worked ourselves into a tough spot. We are entirely dependent on high density energy sources for our survival. Our world civilization will collapse without them.

If we keep using fossil fuels billions of us will suffer and die.

If we keep pretending wind, solar, and other low density "renewable" energy sources will save us, then billions of people will suffer and die.

One of the reasons I oppose large scale wind and solar energy schemes is that they will only prolong our dependence on natural gas. Natural gas must be left in the ground. It's not in any way "green" even if it supports various solar and wind fantasies.

I've changed my mind about nuclear power. I used to be a radical anti-nuclear activist. Now I'm not.

I'm still a radical environmentalist.

Some of my thoughts on this subject are posted in my journal.

This is my twentieth year on DU and anyone who wants to follow the evolution in my thinking can do that.

In the late 'seventies I was opposing all nuclear power in California, working to shut down the existing nuclear power plants and protesting Diablo Canyon. I burned an unconscionable amount of gasoline driving between San Onofre and Humboldt Bay.

I was at an anti-nuclear rally near San Luis Obispo when Jerry Brown declared "No new nukes in California" and the crowd cheered... and then did a double take realizing Diablo Canyon wouldn't be stopped.

Now I'm opposed to closing Diablo Canyon until new nuclear plants replace it.

Aggressive renewable energy schemes in places like California, Denmark, and Germany have failed. The situation is especially horrific in Germany. Many people predicted that Germany's dependence on Russian fossil fuels would end in catastrophe. They just didn't expect it would happen so soon.


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Well its about damn time SOMEONE noticed the obvious. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #1
Can you imagine Cheeto? peppertree Apr 2022 #25
I guess Ivanka would literally be "glowing' oldsoftie Apr 2022 #26
Straight out of the Roman Empire, those two peppertree Apr 2022 #30
Its only carbon free if you ignore the huge uranium mining industry Blues Heron Apr 2022 #2
It's more carbon-free than the coal mining/burning industry tinrobot Apr 2022 #3
no doubt Blues Heron Apr 2022 #4
Like solar cells and wind generators? PoliticAverse Apr 2022 #5
Please be honest in a life-cycle analysis of CO2 impact kiri Apr 2022 #6
Im just talking fuel - uranium and the mining industry behind it Blues Heron Apr 2022 #9
you are right--"a fuel to fuel comparison with wind or solar" i kiri Apr 2022 #15
but many of those materials for solar & wind come from places like CHINA. AGAIN. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #27
Your "I'm just talking fuel"... FBaggins Apr 2022 #31
I know - I only make this point when the carbon free claim comes up as it does a lot Blues Heron Apr 2022 #34
Have you even used fat free cooking sprays? FBaggins Apr 2022 #38
I think carbon free is just nuke industry propaganda Blues Heron Apr 2022 #42
You think wrong FBaggins Apr 2022 #43
so now we are back to fuel then Blues Heron Apr 2022 #44
Which is entirely worthless FBaggins Apr 2022 #45
also only true if they are made of fairy dust. mopinko Apr 2022 #8
right--see my post #15 kiri Apr 2022 #16
that too. mopinko Apr 2022 #17
Like the Lithium mining industry for batteries? madville Apr 2022 #20
that is storage - I am talking fuel only here Blues Heron Apr 2022 #23
The question is "why should anyone else accept a 'fuel only' evaluation?" FBaggins Apr 2022 #33
See my other post- I only make the point to refute the carbon free claim Blues Heron Apr 2022 #35
3/8 of a inch of steel VGNonly Apr 2022 #7
Yup, 2002. roamer65 Apr 2022 #10
DB is about 40 miles away from me. VGNonly Apr 2022 #12
I'm in far west burbs of Metro Detroit. roamer65 Apr 2022 #13
And plumes of radiation are slowly entering the groundwater in western Washington from WWII era work mahina Apr 2022 #24
Far more than 3/8 of an inch of steel FBaggins Apr 2022 #36
Folks: There is no safe disposal option for rad waste. NRC has never designated a high level Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #11
Yuka Mountian was the plan madville Apr 2022 #22
Yes, there is safe disposal. former9thward Apr 2022 #32
As well as recycling. nt FBaggins Apr 2022 #37
Attended hearings from NRC. The science was flawed as were the selected areas. High Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #50
We're dealing with the fossil fuel wastes that are destroying the natural environment... hunter Apr 2022 #39
Another fossil fuel waste problem: 8 million deaths/year from waste emitted into the air progree Apr 2022 #49
Not arguing the substantiated threat of fossil fuel industry. Lack of enforcement has allowed Evolve Dammit Apr 2022 #51
Eventually everything will be powered by fission or fusion. erronis Apr 2022 #14
These pro and con arguments here and elsewhere never mention how the air will clear in2herbs Apr 2022 #18
Greenhouse gases are invisible to the naked eye Kaleva Apr 2022 #29
I don't understand your post but here are a few excerpts from in2herbs Apr 2022 #40
Fine, I'll reply. Germany is fucked up. Their green faction is a largely a cult... hunter Apr 2022 #48
Natural gas will destroy what's left of our natural world. hunter Apr 2022 #19
+1. Germany really fucked up dalton99a Apr 2022 #21
Yes they did. And now UKR is paying the price for their mistake. oldsoftie Apr 2022 #28
Please read my response to Kaleva above. TY nt in2herbs Apr 2022 #41
I had to look again, read that as a $68 effort. Haha. nt Akoto Apr 2022 #46
Good. We need more new nuclear power plants in the USA. beaglelover Apr 2022 #47
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